10 day pack - 50+l : any reason not to buy a DCF pack?

Discussion in 'Packs & Accessories' started by markgoodlad, Feb 15, 2021.

  1. OwenM

    OwenM Section Hiker

    +1 for the Exped Flash pocket.
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  2. markgoodlad

    markgoodlad Summit Camper

    One other option I considered was the AtomPacks Mo VX21 60l. Will carry 18kg and is the right volume and my preferred design: Roll top. Mesh pocket. Hip belt and shoulder pockets. But it is on the limit of carry capability.

    Thoughts/experience?
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  3. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

    Cost :)
    For what it's worth I know someone who uses several (white variant) HMG rucksacks. He walks (and skis) all four seasons. 70-90 nights out per year. Carries his skis on his HMG (loads of about the 18 kgs) without much issue. He walks in heavy scrub/bush and over rock. Loves his HMG stuff.
    Another option for you, were you to choose cheaper Xpac that is, would be a tough and cheaper mix of VX21 and VX42 or all VX42 perhaps?
    https://www.swdbackpacks.com/product-page/Rugged50Lbackpack a proper 50L internal capacity and has 2 aluminium removable bars . Excellent quality and has carried very comfortably for me at 14 or so Kgs. I have not been beyond that though. The LH has load shifter/lifters that I like with heavier loads.
    When you say your 'go to is the Northrim'-do you mean that is the one you are thinking of buying?
    The Northrim (or the Southwest) seem fine if it will carry the weight you want and even better -almost no wait.
    Your credit card will weep but what the hell.
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2021
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  4. markgoodlad

    markgoodlad Summit Camper

    Thank you for the info on the HMG. Very useful.
    I looked at the SWD. It is a very good option in the VX21. I like the design, similar internal stays but has optional load lifters and a similar carry capability.

    This discussion has made me rethink what I truly need. There are so many great options here - thank you everybody for the feedback. The lightwave is an interesting option.

    The NorthRim was the pack that I was planning to buy. I like the tougher DCF on the pockets but on reflection, the Junction 3400 in Black/DCF150 i think is my preferred option: I like the central mesh pocket, the benefits of DCF seam sealing and the overall pack design - aligned to my style of backpacking.

    However, I will think this though a little more though based on the above feedback - I need to define how often will I be carrying 18+kg and the need for additional weight transfer to the hips through a full frame. I am not as young as I think I am, and that is a lot of strain for the shoulders if it does not sit well. :)

    cost. Hmm. With the Swiss franc exchange rate, it makes US and UK purchases a little more affordable. So may be two packs :rolleyes:

    Let’s hope this crazy situation actually calms down so that we can travel safely. Looks like my spring CWT plan has gone to hell with the quarantine rules so I will just keep on planning. Not sure backpacking is classed as essential travel (may be for mental health!)
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  5. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    This old-school pack is probably way outside your weight considerations, but for toughness, ride-quality and general feel-good factor, this is a bargain.
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324480896420
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  6. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    They used to be available from ULOG.

    I had a chat with Carol McDermott of Lightwave/Crux yesterday.
    He arranged for a courier to pick up the iffy pack, and has sent another. So all is good.

    We also discussed availability of the gear.
    He said that they had issues with supply/manufacturing due to covid and other reasons early 2020 and financial constraints for materials etc due to low sales the last year . He did say that new packs are in the pipeline, with slightly different features and fabrics. But might not be available until end of this or next year.
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  7. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Came home to find Carol had sent a brand spanking new Ultrahike60 as a replacement. (Not a sample/demo).

    Can't argue with that!
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  8. rigby

    rigby Hiker

    well if moneys not a problem HMG will make you a woven dyneema pack (which is 375d rather than the usual 50d) and that will be bomber.
    or a seek outside framed pack (you'd break before it does) https://seekoutside.com/divide-ultralight-backpack-olive-green/
    i was after an aarn bag but unfortunately they've dropped their Magic Mountain range & not sure if the other bags are conducive to clambering over mountains!
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  9. rigby

    rigby Hiker

    good shout but i'd definitely forgo the VX21 and get the VX42 if it's to be really expected to survive.
    on paper it looks good https://backpackinglight.com/wp-content/uploads/bpfed/Outdoor-Material-Guide-2017-1.jpg
    but real world use it doesn't seem to hold up much more than vx07
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  10. JohnMacQueen

    JohnMacQueen Trail Blazer

    I think when it comes to backpacks they need to be rugged for anything more than air fairy bouncing along a perfectly groomed trail. And DCF isn't that material. I baby my gear quite a lot but I refuse to baby my backpack. I don't want to have to worry about it snagging or ripping and seams coming loose. I want to be able to sling it up to a tree or chuck it on the floor, sit on it without fear it's going to break. I couldn't imagine being on a long trip and then my backpack breaks half way through. It's also slightly false economy with ultralight frameless packs. Sure, cutting weight helps up to a point but it's just as important that the bag can hold that weight and transfer to your hips efficiently. Currently using a Lundhags Gneik 54 at 1.6kg which is more than double my frameless pack but so much more comfortable.
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  11. Daymoth

    Daymoth Section Hiker

    I can only comment on the exped lightning 60 for heavy stuff. I really like the load transfer system and that it has a bunch of options to tie stuff on it.

    I could use a bit more padding on the back and shoulder straps but I like my comforts.
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  12. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    If you're thinking of getting an Exped Lightening I'd watch this video and make sure you adjust it properly. Some people have problems with the fit but for me it is spot on. I've only carried 12kgs ish max and for that it is for me very comfortable. I'm expecting that now I've reduced my base weight a bit it will be a dream this year, when we are let out.

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  13. markgoodlad

    markgoodlad Summit Camper

    Quick update: With all the feedback and advice above: materials, brands, carrying styles etc…

    I have decided, for those times that I need to carry heavier loads (extra days food/water) or backpack in very wet climates, to order a

    Seek Outside Flight 1 in xpac/Spectra

    I long considered getting a custom pack with the adjustable frame, but I cannot see a scenario nowadays where I am carrying more than 23kg / 50lbs

    thanks all
  14. maddogs

    maddogs Trail Blazer

    I will be very interested to know how you get on with this; I love my SO Divide!
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