2 season suggestions

Discussion in 'Sleeping Bags & Quilts' started by shaggystu, Jun 25, 2014.

  1. shaggystu

    shaggystu Summit Camper

    In the height of summer I use a snugpak softie 3, when it's cold I use a snugpak softie 9, for the price I couldn't be happier with either of these bags, they perform way above their cost and offer great value for money IMO.

    I've reached a point where I can justify buying something a little more expensive though so time to look at something that's less of a financially influenced compromise.

    I want to buy a bag that I can use in the hills down to about 0C.
    I think I'd prefer a synthetic fill, mainly because it's cheaper to buy easier to wash, but I'm not at all opposed to down.
    I want something with a decent shoulder baffle, but I don't really care about the hood, I wouldn't mind if it was missing all together to be honest.
    I would prefer a bag with no zip.

    I'll generally be using the bag in combination with a bivvy bag and closed cell roll mat.
    I'm about 5'11" and on the slender side of skinny.
    I sleep normally, not hot, not cold, just normal.

    Thoughts chaps?

    Cheers,

    Stuart.
  2. happycamper

    happycamper Trail Blazer

    http://astucas.com/en/gear/sestrals-quilt

    I bought one of these recently. I've only had it out for 6 nights but I'm happy with it. If you're not willing to go down the quilt route they will do custom work.
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  3. shaggystu

    shaggystu Summit Camper

    That looks interesting happycamper, I'm not opposed to the idea of a quilt at all, but having never really tried using one 170euros is a bit of a gamble. The lack of a shoulder baffle puts me off a little too.

    Thanks for the suggestion, picking brains is what I'm intending here :)
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  4. happycamper

    happycamper Trail Blazer

    The main complaint for new quilt users is that it can be draughty when you turn during night but in a bivi bag that won't be an issue. I went for the Apex 200 which they claim will go down to -5 but based on my experience of sleeping bags I usually knock 5 degrees off any claims so I'm hoping this will take me down to zero. I only got it at the end of May so haven't had any low temps to test. I'd say that if you wanted a collar sewn in they would do it for you.

    Good luck with the search.
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    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

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  7. Jacko1066

    Jacko1066 Ultralighter

    The laminas come up on eBay all the time stu, I use quilts at the minute, my summer weight quilt which is good for zero deg weighs in at 600g, so the weight savings are good, been using quilts for a while and iv never had a problem side sleeping.
  8. shaggystu

    shaggystu Summit Camper

    "This product is deactivated....." at the bottom of that first link Rich.

    The lamina looks interesting, but they only appear to do two models, lamina 20 not quite warm enough, lamina 45 too warm. I want a lamina 32 and half :)
  9. shaggystu

    shaggystu Summit Camper

    What are you using as a summer quilt Jacko? 600g sounds pretty good.
  10. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    The 45 is not as warm as the 20, don't forget it's in fahrenheit

    the 0*F is the warmest they do, the 45*F the least warm
  11. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    I would personally go for a quilt too. I don't get into my sleeping bag anymore unless it's really cold.

    Mats link looks really interesting. Climashield Apex is really good stuff, superbly breathable. I'd be tempted to push that quilt to the limit with it's moisture management, It would undoubtedly take a good amount of dampness on it with no ill effects. My concern would then be the lack of shoulder baffle too, but then it could be mated to a seriously light and breathable bivi bag.

    I like down, I've pushed the limits with it and it's come up trumps with a good DWR shell. The new hydrophobic down is an improvement too. I know it's a hammock company but Hammock Gears 40 deg top quilt with a couple of ounces of overstuff would be my choice for the bivvy. Top quality kit and made with the new Argon shell in any colour and size wanted. The cinch cord can be looped round the back of your neck to work as a shoulder baffle, this actually works very well. http://www.hammockgear.com/burrow-40/
  12. shaggystu

    shaggystu Summit Camper

    It hadn't actually occurred to me that the 20 and 45 related to temperature ratings in old money, I just though they were the names for the different models, I'm not gifted :) I'd just looked at the temperature ratings on that website; -7*C for the 20 and 5*C for the 45 (and then mixed the two up when I wrote them in the thread, as I said, not gifted).

    But still...........I want one somewhere in the middle, about a 0*C, or a 32 on the lamina scale :)
  13. shaggystu

    shaggystu Summit Camper

    I think I'm getting close to contacting the custom gear company that Mat linked to (as tucas?). I'm going round and round in circles and keep coming back to that "sestrels quilt", it looks like a pretty good compromise between sleeping bag and quilt, the price looks pretty good too.
  14. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    It does look a very good bit of kit. As the blurb says, it's not always about the ultimate weight saving. I do highly rate my Climashield Wiggys bag I use for extreme cold.
  15. Jacko1066

    Jacko1066 Ultralighter

    Iv got a uk hammocks down top quilt with a summer fill.

    Iv also got the winter 1 too, I can't fault either tbh!! Used the winter down to minus 15 with no problem.
  16. happycamper

    happycamper Trail Blazer

    Fixed that there for you :D
  17. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    Sorry Andrew :oops: , don't know why I thought Matt posted that link.
  18. happycamper

    happycamper Trail Blazer

    I contacted Marco before I bought my quilt and asked about weights ... Based on a large quilt he quotes 530g for Apex 133, 610g Apex 167 and 690g for Apex 200. I didn't weigh my Apex 200 quilt when it came but I can do that later tonight.

    I will say that because the weather here has been very warm the Apex 200 is way too much insulation but I'm hoping that it will take me into the shoulder seasons before I have to go back into a down bag.
  19. happycamper

    happycamper Trail Blazer

    Ha ha no worries ... easy mistake on a forum especially when it's as new as this one :)
  20. shaggystu

    shaggystu Summit Camper

    So now I'm confused, if happycamper's called Andrew, who's Mat?
  21. happycamper

    happycamper Trail Blazer

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  22. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    Matt is Octagon.
  23. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

    Quilts aren't for everyone but I can vouch for asTucas gear, I've got a custom quilt from them and it's the biz, wish I'd taken it on the TGOC
  24. happycamper

    happycamper Trail Blazer

    Did you get the Sestrals quilt modded or did you design your own?
  25. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

    Designed my own and supplied the fabric etc. Marco did a superb job and was very good to deal with

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