3-4 Seasons Sleeping bag recommendation on a budget.

Discussion in 'Sleeping Bags & Quilts' started by liamarchie, Oct 5, 2016.

  1. liamarchie

    liamarchie Ultralighter

    I'm after a new sleeping bag for the upcoming winter months, and i'm planning the West Highland Way at around easter next year.

    So with that in mind i'm going to be buying a new bag, down or synthetic i havent decided yet, but i'd like it to meet the following criteria:

    1kg or preferably less.
    comfortable at 0*C (i dont mind layering w/ my clothes)
    Target price £150

    so based on the price i'm looking for an older model, or would consider a lightly used bag too.

    I currently have a Green AegisMax bag, which has been fine for the summer, so i'm considering converting it into a quilt, and using that in part of a layering system maybe?
    maybe pair it with a Rab Nutrino 200?

    So does anyone have any recommendations to fit me needs?
    I'm conscious of taking a down bag on the WHW, due to a chance i could get rain for days on end, which would potentially ruin the trip if the bag got wet somehow.
  2. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    This question seems to be a recurring one on all forums & IMO in the end it comes down to personal choice; the trade-offs between warmth, weight, bulk & cost.

    I wouldn’t get hung up about down getting wet, I could be regarded as a little paranoid in this regard choosing to always use a dry bag for the SB & sleeping clothes inside a poly pack liner (double protection) but in 40+ years I’ve never had a wet bag.

    Personally I’d be looking for a SB with 600g of at least 750 fill power down with box or trapezoidal baffles; I use the Cumulus Panyam 600 (850 FP) which has proven to keep me warm at -10C (in merino underwear) but I sleep a little warm.

    You need to also think about your sleeping mat, no good to have a warm bag then sleep on 6mm CCF; I use an Exped Synmat + a 8mm CCF torso mat in winter.

    If money is tight & you’re happy with the fit of your AegisMax SB you may choose to check out their other bags on AliExpress.
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  3. fluffkitten

    fluffkitten Moderator Staff Member

    A blue Aegismax M2 bag might do that in combination with the Mini (green bag). Still has the issue of being sewn through though.
  4. liamarchie

    liamarchie Ultralighter

    I'm not convinced on the aegismax bags, the green one has terrible breath ability and the sewn through design left plenty of cold spots, so feel the blue would be a waste of money.
  5. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    The G400 is box baffle construction, ~0.7kg, 0degC, $96 OR the G700, ~kg, -7degC, $136.

    Compared with the Alpkit offerings; Pipedream 400, 0.85kg, £180; Alpkit Pipedream 600, ~1kg, £230; the Aegismax bags look reasonable options for the price.

    Only other option is to go 2nd hand.
  6. liamarchie

    liamarchie Ultralighter

    Do you have any experience, or know of any review for the G700 bags? I'm a bit wary of the 20d bag material. I'm pretty sure thats what Enlightened Equipment use on their weather resistant strips, on the foot end etc. So i'd guess a whole bag made of it would be like sleeping in a bin bag
  7. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Try Google for reviews.

    In the end for the price you're after there's not a lot out there unless you want to go synthetic weight & bulk.
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  8. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

  9. liamarchie

    liamarchie Ultralighter

    Thanks for the heads up
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  10. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    @ 1.4kg it seems quite heavy for a 600g fill bag they must be using a 'heavy' fabric.

    Looks very similar spec to the Alpkit SkyHigh 700 which has similar temp rating but a little lighter @ 1.25kg & cheaper £150.

    Another small point to bear in mind is that the US & Europe use slightly different fill power measures & which one a manufacturer is using is not always quoted e.g. I believe that 800 FP US is about 750 FP European.
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2016
  11. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    ^ I agree, quite heavy. But, when your on a budget, worth considering. Not just for the weight, but also packing volume and sleeping comfort. Aren't the Alpkit bags a little smaller than average? I don't actually know, never tried one. Could account for weight increase, as could the preferable overstuff that some manufacturers diligently put in as standard.

    A gone flat 800 fill bag will be less insulating than a lofted 750 fill.
  12. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    the pipedreams are cut slim. the old skyehighs were much roomier - . we had an 800 for a couple years. dunno about the newer ones. good solid bags, but not lightweight.
  13. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    Quite a few non US based companies quote US fill power on their gear as well I've noticed. Guess it sounds better. Can be quite misleading especially if they don't state what measurement they are using in product descriptions. In the real world though I dobut a difference of +-50 makes too much difference.
  14. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I’d love a new quilt: 350g + 15% overfill, 900 FP goose down, longitudinal baffles, good DWR coated fabric, ~600g weight & <£100………….can’t find one……………possibly something is going to have the give. :frown:
  15. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    ^MYOG one mate. I've MYOG Pertex 4 shelled quilt, 75mm loft with 500g of down in, gathered footbox so I can dry it out in the field quicker. Weighs 800g and gets me down to near 0F. Stood me at £75 all in. With a lighter 10d shell, as opposed to the near 3oz/yd Pertex 4, would come in at a very nice weight and price. With your skills, it would be a doddle.

    Think laterally, and you can source very high quality down quite cheaply. ;) I'm sitting on 46 oz of 800 fill, cost me £4/ oz. One day, I might be able to bring myself to harvest the down from the item it's stored in.
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  16. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Looked at it but the cheapest I could find the down was >£100 & then there's the pertex.........I found the 10D stuff difficult to stitch on my machines, it seems to have the habit of wanting to bunch up in the feed dogs :(, probably down to operator malfunction.
  17. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    You can feed newpaper under the cloth as you go, it helps stop the fabric bunching. Rips off down the perforations afterwards. ;)
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  18. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I tried masking tape which seemed to worked OK but was a pain to remove after stitching; for bivi's & stuff I thought about trying the water soluble fabric tape.
  19. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    Masking tape likely to cause issues. The glue builds up on the needle and gums the hooks and mechanisms.

    Sorry Liam. Turned your thread into "Sewing Hour" :redface:
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  20. Graham

    Graham Thru Hiker

    Used this technique to sew some of the ridiculously lightweight backing material that's supplied with Primaloft, worked great.

    ^ Oops. Apologies too!
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  21. liamarchie

    liamarchie Ultralighter

    No problems is all good info!

    I'm looking at the Alpkit Pipedream 400 now, seems a good bag for the money. Any one have experience taking this down to freezing temps?
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  22. Baldy

    Baldy Thru Hiker

    I don't know what the pound to euro is like the moment but have a look at Cumulus Poland for some nice bags.
  23. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    alpkit ones are Boxwall now which is nice
  24. Graham

    Graham Thru Hiker

    Rearrange the words:

    Toilet / The / Down / Time / Big

    No suitable Cumulus bags or even quilts for £150 :(
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  25. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I' ve a PD400, one of the box baffle jobs.
    When new I used to -5C but was a bit chilly. Now I reckon -2C or -3C is about MY limit with it even after professional cleaning. I"ve slept through -2C with the Cumulus 250 quilt by just adding a fleece to the PJ's so the PD400 doesn't get used much now.

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