3-4 Seasons Sleeping bag recommendation on a budget.

Discussion in 'Sleeping Bags & Quilts' started by liamarchie, Oct 5, 2016.

  1. Dirty Boots

    Dirty Boots Summit Camper

    I've one of the old model Pipedream 600s. I've slept in it to below zero, dont know how low exactly, but my tent was a little iced up and there was a solid ground frost.

    Perfectly warm and comfortable. For me at least.

    In general I really like the bag. Small, light, packs down well, decent build quality. Too warm for Summer so I tend to unzip it and use a quilt then.
  2. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I've used my 2008 Pipedream 400 to 'frosty' regularly, so I reckon Whiteburns rating is sound.
    But it's not been cleaned ever (yet!) and is less lofty than it was, so nowadays I tend to take a warmer bag if expecting subzero.
    Not a winter bag - spring to early autumn I reckon.
  3. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

  4. liamarchie

    liamarchie Ultralighter

    Right, for those still along for the ride...

    I'm narrowing my search down, and expanded my budget since theres **** all in my price range that is any good.

    Alpkit Pipedream 400 - should be enough for a bit of frost, can always pair with my summer bag, or a SOL escape bivvy if expecting really cold.
    AlpKit Pipedream 600 - Would be warm enough for most uk weather, and wouldnt need to pair with anything, though wouldnt be able to use all year as a one stop bag

    Cumulus Lite Line 400 - probably better quality than the Alpkit, though just guessing based on it using better 850fp down.
    Cumulus Mysterious Traveller 500 - Cheaper as uses 700fp down.

    Cumulus M400 Comforter - Nice versatile quilt, though
    Ebay seller Scotty of Bespoke Ultralight- considering one of his down quilts, to mimic a EE revelation

    Any one have any experience of any other the bags i mention, or care to give me some guidance on which would be the better option?
  5. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    In my experience the Cumulus bags (I have an older version of the Panyam 450) will be better quality all round, than the Alpkit which which are OK but definitely aimed at the 'budget level market'.
  6. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    You'd be better emailing @Scotty Von Porkchop if you're looking at his offerings, tell him what you're looking for and you're budget. He has a website now but there isn't really anything on it except a couple of pics atm.
  7. liamarchie

    liamarchie Ultralighter

    Yeah i'v had discussions with Scotty already. Main thing holding me back is the peace of mind you get with a larger brand and warranty, knowing the temp ratings are more accurate and tested. Also his prices are around the same range im looking at, which makes it less attractive.

    (im not 100% convinced on a quilt right now, last thing i want is to be fiddling around in the night trying to get a snug fit to eliminate drafts.)
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  8. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I so agree with you on this. Looking at the other 'quilt' thread I'm even more convinced the 'fiddle factor' is just not what I want. And anyways a sleeping bag can always be opened up and draped over like a quilt - especially on warmer nights.

    A good quality brand name SB is easier to sell on if you change your mind.
  9. liamarchie

    liamarchie Ultralighter

    Excellent point, hadnt considered this but its a big factor for me.
    I generally sell everything i have once i feel its no longer of use, and always sell to buy rather than have loads of different things clogging up my cupboards.
  10. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I've both the PD400 & 600, great bags

    They're a bit more expensive these days but still good value
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  11. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I have a cumulus quilt for the summer but still feel sceptical for winter use. when I was looking for sub 150 quid winter bag best deal I could find was a Vango venom 600. it's pretty heavy at 1200g but it's baffled warm lofts well and had 100 quid off so beat the alp kit offerings.
  12. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Build quality and fabrics are fine on our Alpkit bags (Toray fabrics) Down maybe not as good as some , but feels as good as my Golite quilt. and the ME helium I once had.

    Quilts are as fiddly as you want to make them. Certainly mine ( no mat connection) are a factor less fiddly to use than any sleeping bag with a zip.
  13. Baldy

    Baldy Thru Hiker

    i have the Cumulus MT 500 and the 650.
    They are well made, roomy bags that work.
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  14. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I ordered an Alpkit PH400 once and sent it back straight away. I didn't think it had enough 'fill' for the space provided.
    We've had 3 ME bags in the house. The Helium was the only 'keeper', the other 2 I've sold on - not bad bags just not paying their way in terms of performance:weight.
    The quality of Rab bags has gone 'down the tubes' as far as I'm concerned. Narrow and overpriced and leaking down (-from reports I've read).
    PHD and Western mountaineering are out of the price range of the OP, unless he spots a good 2nd hand one.
    On his budget I think Cumulus give him the 'best bang for his buck'.
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  15. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Oh, I agree with the Cumulus choice being better.

    Funny, I sent back the ME helium 250 for the exact same reason!
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  16. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    The Helium we have is an 800 - for a trip to the Andes :D.
    I sold daughters dolls house and the Helium was on a very decent offer at same priceā€¦.. a very good swop IMHO.:D
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  17. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    And I sent my first PHD Minim 300 back because it was lacking in down, it turned out I was right too after they weighed it. :)
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  18. Davy

    Davy Thru Hiker

    Like my Cumulus Panyam 450 a lot. Works well as a loose quilt in warmer temps as well.
  19. liamarchie

    liamarchie Ultralighter

  20. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    The bag is the equivalent of the Cumulus Mysterious Traveller & uses their lower grade down.
    Cumulus used to be 20% - 30% cheaper than buying Criterion in the UK but something happened in the last few months, I expect the Criterion bag prices will climb also.

    The Liteline 400 & Panyam 450 which uses the 850 FP down (i.e 25% more loft for the for the same fill) is marginally more expensive but lighter & IMO would be easier to sell on if that were a consideration.
  21. liamarchie

    liamarchie Ultralighter

    thanks for the help so far.

    quick question since you seem to know your stuff when it comes to cumulus gear.

    Would the Quilt450 with 450g of 850fp, technically be a lot warmer than the liteline 400 bag, which has 400g of 850fp? (i know the site shows they're rated as such. but i'd imagine it would feel quite noticably warmer)

    I'd have guessed about 150g of the bags down would be compressed underneath me, while in the quilt theres more fill, and more of it actually ontop of me keeping me warm? Thgouhts?
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2016
  22. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    IMO the 450 Quilt would be warmer than the Panyam 450; providing you have a decent hat & the quilt doesn't have drafty gaps.

    The actual rating by Cumulus depends on their test methodology e.g. if the test dummy for the quilts didn't have a hat it wouldn't look so good.
  23. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    You've hit the nail on the head there. It's why lots of us use quilts instead of sleeping bags, even using sleeping bags like a quilt. Synthetics do a bit better under compression than down, down doesn't offer much at all when it's squashed flat; it's just wasted.

    The issue with quilts, as mentioned above, is draughts and lack of head insulation. Sleeping bags stop draughts, quilts are not so good.........but, inside a bathtub groundsheet,bivy or nest, inside a shelter, there isn't much of a draught to cause issues.

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