Discussion in 'Places & Planning' started by edh, Jul 4, 2018.
Anyone done this?
Lastish minute plan changes elevate it to the probable in the next week or so....
AV2 from Brixen (Bressanone) to Passo di Croce D'aune completed in July/August 2014 staying in huts, very much enjoyed
Did you take any Ferrata stuff?
I used to climb so am good with exposure... But not with being killed by less experienced others on such sections....
No we did not, although a pair of leather gloves were useful. I brought a pair from Clas Ohlson, Tegera 235 work gloves, very good and a lot cheaper than the real mcoy gloves. It is all doable without the kit so long as at Passo Gardena you take path 666 and not Via Ferrata Tridentina a bit furthur to the east, where you will definitely need the kit.
We went up after lunch as we were booked in at the rifugio Pisciadu' for our overnight stop.
I've got some gloves somewhere from when I was in the Brenta.
Thanks for the route beta; I'll take a look.
I trekked from Brixen to Feltre last summer with my girlfriend. We didn't take any VF gear despite reading some reports that it was necessary. Some good fun ladder sections, but (also) as a climber, they were perfectly safe without. Definitely agree with Gez that gloves are very useful. The long sections of ladders were be painfully cold in the early morning without gloves (I just used think liner gloves with a leather palm).
The VF sections where gear is required are very clearly marked. You can't accidentally end up on a dangerous section.
I hiked the AV2 from Brixen till Pale de San Martino in 2015 (and carried on via different trails from there). No need for ferrata gear unless you want to do the AV2 variant near the Feltre end. A few cables and short (non exposed) ladders occassionally but very tame. The route across the Sella (#666 !!!) is magnificent. Happy to share a few tips or (IMO) better variants if you decide on going.
I'm going; do share please.
Ok... Brixen. If you stay there one night, you are entitled to a 48 (arrival /departure) free public transport pass which includes Plose cable car (the AV2 runs below the cable car...). Heading into Puez, I recommend the Furcella Nives variant - a few cables and one short sheltered ladder - no traffic and no equipment needed. The Puez-Odle plateau has some good pitches (before and after the refugio). I'd recommend an early start from Passo Gardena up to the Pisciadu lake. The barranco up is basically a rock shute (which the marked trail - #666 - avoids as much as possible) leading to a steep but easy cabled section further up. I didn't carry a helmet and mangaged to get to the top just as the first group entered from above. It does get busy there...
Piz Boe is a nice but busy variant - where else can you get a beer on a 3152m summit? Bit stony on the sella unless you carry a free standing shelter but the huts are ok up there. Rif Pordoi is good and less busy but the cable car turns that area into Cambridge on a sunday until 5pm...
After Rif Viel del Pan, don't take the AV2 down to the lake but carry on contour trail to Rif Padon - much nicer route (there is also a good Ferrara variant (delle Trincee) in case you carry kit (not recommend this ferrata without kit). The Chiapela Marmolade camping is a busy and cold sink hole. Good pitches (depending on pastoral activity) further up before and after Forca Rossa pass.
Passo Sen Pellegrino is a ski waste land. My least favorite AV2 section but Pale de San Martino is another highlight. Don't believe the books about orientation in low vis - trails are excellent marked actually (as of last summer).
Some sections are busy with local traffic but I had much solitude too (August 2015).
PS I didn't like pitching between Sen Pelegrino and Pale di san Martino (Rif Laresei was very nice) but the latter has grass pitches below Rif Mulaz and in the lower section from Rif Mulaz to Rif Rosetta through water is an issue there.
Tom - that's really helpful.
I'll take the car I expect (now for free!)....flogging up ski-track hills is not my deepest joy.
I'd looked at the Furcella Nives but thought that it must be inferior (even if it does seem logical) - I'll do it now
When you say the huts are OK....are they generally OK to let you bivvy outside as per normal (I'll have the Notch) ??
I was going to stay at that Marmolade camping....now will push on to past Franzedaz.
Probably head to Moena for a night at Sen Pellegrino; Mulaz was the next days goal.
Great stuff. Thanks.
The public transport scheme is compulsory for all registered tourist accomodation in Alto Adige province and voluntary in Trentino. Mind the flowing scree (my nemesis) heading up to Furcella dla Roa but Nives is a fun section.
When I say huts ok I mean hospitality + food. Most of the higher huts sit in the rocks - level ground is hard to come by and pegs... well. The lower huts tend to be more touristic. I don't pitch next to huts and we have been refused on at least 2 occasions when we tried. I'd expect each hut makes it own policy. The SAT refugios will be accomodating if full (they cannot send you away anyway). I prefer pitching away from huts or next to Bivaccos (unstaffed shelters) It might help if you ask for a dinner + tent combination and at the smaller less touristic huts....
I found some Bivi rules on Gran Paradiso NP borders last year but stupidly didn't take photo. A bit tighter than the French NP rule (19.00 - 9am) I recall. Water is more scarce for geological reasons compared to Pyrenees or Piemonte - not unlike Majorca in some areas...
Last questions (well, maybe)....
BA Copper Spur (self-supporter) or Notch?
Snow likelihood, spikes?
There's bound to be snow/firn - early season and you'll be going high - ruta lacura mini crampons would be useful I recon? Snow is melting fast but there is still a fair bit above 2500m here but I haven't been that high yet (2600m pass tomorrow) - certainty more than same time in 2016...
Re shelter - if you really want to camp above 2500/2600 in the dolomites I'd take the BA but with some moderation of ambition the notch will do....
I remembered one more today - Medalges Alm, past Rif Genova heading towards Puez-Odle, has water and grass pitches
Ok, I might take my Petzls...no time to buy anything else.
I gave up ambition long ago.
That locale looked good on the map and I'd planned my first night there
You'll easily get to Passo Gardena from there. Grass slopes overshadowed by lift masts. I don't like stealth camping and stayed in auberge on the pass which helped with an early start on the Sella towers barranco route. I'll be doing the same first 4 days next month and then branch off for my dolomiti high route project.
Cheers; just looking at the Hotel Cir at the pass, €60 thanks for the advice on the route; does not look like one where you want a lot of people above you!
One more - you probably know anyway - tobacco maps are best for that area and the app works well (android). Also OSM (locus/orux) give you waterpoints at least occasionally
I knew about the maps and have the first few.
But I did not know about the app - its good; downloading now. Thanks again.
Further Dolomite trips will be necessary....
Snow - not much at 2600m but the range visible behind the Assietta ridge (2500m) still has a fair bit. The high summits, e.g. Rocciamelone (3560m) are in the clouds. You might be ok with spikes... always a hard choice
The Petzls at 380g versus dying or (worse still) turning around is a choice I'll make when I pack up for the off in Vittorio Veneto.
Out from Basecamp..
Please do lots of reporting, we bought our tickets to venice for september
I'll write it up but Tom knows the area far better than me.
Oh I know, he gave me loads of suggestions earlier this year!
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