Arc Haul

Discussion in 'Packs & Accessories' started by Clare, Nov 9, 2017.

  1. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    Hiya, I've been thinking for a while now about getting an arc haul. For the last 8 years Ive been using an Exos 46. I know there are mixed views on how much the vented back actually ventilates but I really like it. Hence the interest in the Arc Haul rather than any of the packs that sit directly on the back. I've seen some people saying that the cuben fibre makes an annoying crinkly noise and I wondered - can you hear that when walking or only when packing and unpacking? If it's noisy when walking I'd go for the dyneema but I like the waterproof quality of the cuben. Any thoughts on this please?

    My reasons for upgrading are that I'd like a little bit more space, a little less weight and the Exos doesn't meet my other main two criterion which are to be able to grab my water bottle on the move and bigger hip belt pockets to fit my massive iPhone. I don't like the look of the new Osprey Lumina just reviewed because no hip pockets and fitting aftermarket ones looks awkward. Exos 56 is also possible.
  2. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I have the Arc Blast in hybrid cuben Clare, it's not a noisy fabric at all. I do have an incurable squeak somewhere behind the lumbar pad though, it annoys others more than it does me though :)
    If it wasn't for the squeak it would otherwise be silent when I'm walking.
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  3. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    The Arc Haul is only available in Dyneema Grid. For cuben hybrid you'd have to het the Arc Blast, which is smaller that the Haul, and by more than the specs would suggest, IME.
    As Shewie says, no noise from the fabric. Mine squeaks maybe one day in five and then not consistently the whole day. I've never worked out where it comes from. It can make quite a nice rhythm when you're going well.
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  4. Charles42

    Charles42 Trail Blazer

    I have a 60 litre green arkblast . I find it completely silent ,on the move , or packing . Weighs 620 grams. Waterproof.
    Not my most comfy pack though. That accolade goes to my Lightwave ultrahike .Superb supportive hip belt ,but
    much heavier. Also my Mariposa (2013 ) is good. I like the long side pocket -takes my Strat 1 nicely.
  5. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    Thank you for the comments. William, I don't know where I got the idea that the ArcHaul could be made up in cuben, on re-reading it seems the Haul has to be dyneema because cuben can't carry that much weight. Anyway.. still thinking for a while longer.
  6. lakeshore

    lakeshore Summit Camper

    I have the ArcBlast and it is great. No crinkly noise-an occasional squeak usually from the load lifters and how the pack has been packed.
  7. Gadget

    Gadget Thru Hiker

    o_O:confuseded:
  8. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    It was once available in hybrid cuben, at the same price as the dyneema X version, just as there used to be 3 sizes of Blast. I have a hybrid cuben Blast in the same size as the Haul, but it's beginning to get rather worn.
  9. Gadget

    Gadget Thru Hiker

    Is there somewhere I can learn about the differences between Cuben, DCF and Dyneema X?
  10. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

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  11. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    I'm probably being stupid but I don't get the thing of people carrying their tents in an external pocket. Surely when it rains, it gets wet? Unless perhaps perfectly rolled to protect the inner from rain but my packing is a long way from that kind of perfection and I don't want a previously dry fly to become wet anyway. Or do you stick it in a cuben bag, in which case why not use the cuben bag you already have, which is the main body of back pack? Please explain as it's rather tempting to free up the tent space in the sack.
  12. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I'll sometimes put a soggy shelter in an external pocket to save the rest of the pack contents, usually when packing up after and during rain. The only thing inside my pack I'm bothered about getting wet is my sleeping bag or quilt, and they're inside a plastic bag or liner anyway, but there are times when a dripping wet shelter is best placed on the outside if possible.

    If the shelter is dry it goes inside my pack at the top, last thing in, first thing out.
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  13. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    I'm similar, except top of the pack.. first thing out is always food!:tongue::cigar:
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  14. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    My day grub goes in an external pocket if I remember to separate a days rations :)
  15. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Ditto.
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  16. maddogs

    maddogs Summit Camper

    I'd be very interested in a volume and packability comparison (I use an exos 48 too). Z packs dimensions make sense
    8" x 12.5" x 30" (20 cm x 31.8 cm x 76 cm) which my maths makes 48L

    Osprey give
    28H X 14W X 12D IN.
    For the exos 48L Medium....Which I convert to 71x35.6x30.5cm = 77L...something not quite right there. Presumably the bag is not a regular shape?

    The arcs I've seen people carrying on trail have been notably smaller looking than the exos, though I've never asked anyone which model they have.

    Anyone used both?
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  17. Max

    Max Ultralighter

    I roll my Duplex up and put in the stretchy back pocket on my Arc blast. inside of tent stays dry.
  18. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I've long noticed some manufacturers have 'more voluminous' liters than others.
    Just 'eye balling' Osprey packs they always look 'big' for the claimed no. liters - at least compared to my Golites.
    Plenty of folks "boasting" how small a pack they can get away with and me thinking "no way could I get all that gear in a pack that no. liters" :wacky:
  19. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    ^definitely, pack volumes are all over the place.

    I sometimes wonder the opposite though, "how can they fill such a big pack" especially when looking at gear lists and comparing to my own. I have a long back (60cm) so my backpacks have to be pretty long and narrow. My gear for hiking in any weather + sleeping down to -7C fits easily in my latest pack, just under the shoulder straps. Dimensions are 28cm wide by 12cm deep. 52cm to the shoulder straps I think (no hipbelt, hence shorter back length) and a slight curve at the bottom which will steal a bit of volume. Let's say 18L being generous with typical calculations. The rest of the height in the pack will be food and my water bottles fit in the side pockets.
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  20. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    I know, it's like trying to compare power supplier tariffs, nothing seems to be comparable or make much sense and you just have to leap and then forget about it for a few years. The Exos is a slightly banana shape though. The straight shape of the Haul sack may make quite a difference to packing I suspect??

    The Arc Haul in the pictures on the Zpacks website looks massive to me, unless it's a very small guy. It 'looks' a lot bigger than my Exos 46, although the numbers say that's not true. I need to watch some more videos of american men in plaid shirts and beards explaining it all to me. Exos has been great for most purposes but these days I carry a EE double quilt which occupies rather a massive volume and the kitchen, (pot, our cups, condiments, garlic, etc), which is also volume consuming and my mat and tiny amount of clothes for a month of walking. And I'm going to get a bigger pot as 1.3l left us hungry. So the Arc Blast is def too small. He carries the tent and a disproportionate share of our food weight as there isn't much room left in my pack. I could perhaps solve my pack size problem by suggesting that we swap what we carry and stick with my old pack but my Exos is the old model and weighs 1200g for 46litres so the Haul offers me a saving of 520g, which I consider significant - Or a bit less once I add a hip pocket for my phone. Plus not being able to get my water bottle without taking the pack off is a major irritation in hot weather.
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  21. Taz38

    Taz38 Section Hiker

    I wouldn't worry too much about pack weight, as long as the bag is comfy fully loaded (without being silly heavy).
    I also carry the tent outside, its usually damp or wet, the inner goes inside.
    Have you looked at Lightwave or Mariposa bags?
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  22. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    I totally agree about comfort versus weight. I looked at Lightwave many years ago, not since. Everyone is saying how comfy they are. I'm not attracted because (1) the side mesh pockets look like you can't take your bottle out on-the-go (2) the very comfy hip belt looks like it would be difficult to fit a pouch to without getting in the way of the tightening mechanism and (3) there is no external mesh pocket for keeping stuff that I don't want to have to unload my pack to find, like a water filter, etc. Mariposa is the opposite, it has external pockets a go go and it is an option. Specially since I could buy one from UOG and try it on but I prefer the look of the back venting system on the Haul. I'm buying for continuing the GR10 next year and I get very hot.
  23. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    @Clare Are you sure the Arc Blast is too small? For a longer trip if your sleeping mats are ccf then probably. But if your mats take up less space, then everything might fit. We're just back from a 2 and a half day trip with an Accomplice quilt and ccf mats (Ridgerest Solar and Z-Lite Solar in addition to 2 Klymit Ozone air mats and very bulky insulated jackets and trousers. Everything fitted into 2 Ark Blasts. A couple of days' more food and I would have had to move up to the Arc Haul, but without such bulky mats we can manage 8+ days' of food with the Arc Blasts.
    BTW, the back of the Arc Haul is also rather banana shaped.
  24. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    No, I'm not sure about anything William! I love those pictures in pic of the day of you and wife walking somewhere in Turkey, with 2 arc blasts? It looks amazing. I use a Thermarest Xtherm but will probably take my old NeoAir next time as the Xtherm was overkill, saves a little weight but not much difference in volume. Isn't the accomplice wonderful. I love it.
  25. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I think Lady Grey has an Arc Blast for sale on here but she's away for a few more weeks
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