Asta Mid with 3F 4 Season Solid Inner

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by el manana, Sep 18, 2016.

  1. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    I thought I would move this from the this old thing thread so people can get an initial idea of the set up.

    3F UL Gear Solid Inner - £43.00 approx. inc postage
    225cm x 80cm x120cm (L x W x H)
    350 grams

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    Tony at Guangzhou Pedestrian UL Gear Store went to a lot of trouble to persuade the 3F factory to make a run of solid walled inners – this will not be a continuous production (apparently solid inners don’t sell well in China). This may change of course if these sell well, but at the moment its a one off.

    Initial impressions are good, it pitches pretty tight at around 120cm.

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    Plenty attention to detail…

    Reinforced sections on groundsheet at tie outs:-

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    Lantern hook:-

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    Pole tie loops:-

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    Corner pockets (enough for phone and watch, all you need imo):-

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    Mid point tie-outs halfway up all 4 seams:-

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    ASTA Pyramid flysheet - £62.00 approx. inc postage
    265 x 170 x 135cm (L x W x H)
    500 grams

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    3F solid inner pitched inside the ASTA Mid using A Poles.

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    Inner with Regular length Neoair.

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    Space to side of mat with Neoair flush to door – 22cms

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    Clearance at top and bottom of mat - 16cm (although this is height restricted).

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    Example of contact with inner using PD600 (this is my biggest sleeping bag so worst case scenario for me). It is touching the walls of the inner, more so at the foot than the head (other Mid inners would be the same?...)

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    Observations on pitching.

    The standard mesh inner for the Asta Mid is 70cm wide (with an offshoot section that is 140cm wide). The 3F is 80cm so to make it fit using a single pole, the pole needed to be offset by around 10cm closer to the entrance. Adjusting the pole this way skews the fly a bit which increases the catenary angle of the rear seams of the fly (hope you understand what i mean by this). The clearance between the seams of the fly and the back seams of the inner is then quite small – they are not touching but the gap is narrow. Clearance between the inner and the fly along the sides and the back is fine - its only restricted on the rear seams.

    It may work better using an A frame pole set up, i did try it but ran out of time and need to mess around a bit more. Either way I was happy enough with the fit using the single pole, it may be better with an A pole. I'd be interested in the views of any Khufu or Duomid owners who buy this inner, or any other experience of inners and Mids for that matter.

    Weight after adding own bits like shock cord loops, hanging krab etc…

    Asta Mid flysheet – 540grams
    3F solid inner – 372grams
    Peg Bag (6 x Y Beams 90g , 4 x 6inch Eastons 48g, 2 x Ti Crooks 12g) – 142grams
    Pole Joiner – 34grams (could be made smaller)

    Total: 540g + 372g + 142g + 34g = 1088g

    Claimed….

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    All I need to do now is get out in it!:)

    Hope this helps.
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  2. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Great post.

    Want one of each.
  3. Arne L.

    Arne L. Section Hiker

    Nice post, thanks for all the great pictures.

    I'll post some pictures and experiences when mine arrives. Looks like it's going be good fit inside the Khufu.
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2016
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  4. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    On paper, the dimensions of the Asta and the Khufu look very close - I would guess it's the closest matching Mid. You might have a small issue like me with clearance between the inner rear seams and the fly seams.

    For hanging, I've got a mini karabiner hanging from a loop at the apex of the fly. I've attached a shock cord loop with a cord lock to the inner which snaps into the krab then I pull the shock cord tight. I need to pull it as tight (high) as possible.
    I tried 3 different ways today (line loks, dyneema etc) this was by far the best.
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  5. Arne L.

    Arne L. Section Hiker

    Good idea, thanks. Will probably end up doing the same.

    I have the same issue with my 2/3 mesh inner on the exact same location as you mentioned. The pole is also slightly angled when pitched.

    Don't like using 2 poles, though.
  6. ADz

    ADz Thru Hiker

    Thanks for the heads up on this bud. Bargain price if decent quality and should go great with my Hexamid for Autumn/Winter. The dimensions look perfect for me.

    It's only about 100g more than other cottage sellers and £100 less :)
  7. Davy

    Davy Section Hiker

    Is sleeping bag/inner contact ever a problem?

    We experienced our first impressive misting this summer in sustained heavy rain, I was glad of the space in our Drift 4 as although the inner DWR dealt with the not insignificant amount of moisture floating about inside the fly, I would expect contact with the inner would have wicked it through..
  8. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Did you get stung by Costoms and Excise charges ??

    I ordered one and am waiting :unsure:. I'm used ordering stuff from the US but not from China (at least not at taxable levels).
  9. Lady Grey

    Lady Grey Thru Hiker

    Including the fluffy white one?
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  10. Lady Grey

    Lady Grey Thru Hiker

    Need pics from Mole now with it set up in the Trailstar....please......:D:D:D:D
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  11. Munro277

    Munro277 Thru Hiker

    Think but not certain,that all imports from China are import duty free,bit of a good deal they worked out.
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  12. ADz

    ADz Thru Hiker

    No, they just purposely undervalue things for you ;)
  13. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    Could do with a winter inner for my SL3, I'm sure you'll get round to trying it sometime
  14. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    It'll be fine in an SL3 or a Hexpeak, as the mesh version is already proven
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  15. mattpitts74

    mattpitts74 Summit Camper

    @el manana thanks for posting, can you explain how you do your a frame poke arrangement? Would this pole setup work in a SL3?
  16. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    Hi Matt - A frame arrangement is described well in @Whiteburn 's blog

    Not sure if it would work in SL3, should do, but can't see the need?..

    I prefer a single pole arrangement tbh.
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  17. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    In a SL3, that arrangement would surely be less useful spacewise than a single? In the way even more. The poles wouldn't reach anywhere near the sides, ( they'd need to be really long to do so and would too shallow a slope for decent support IMO)
  18. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

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  19. JKM

    JKM Thru Hiker

    :rolleyes:
    Drat! Already ordered mine.
  20. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    Yeah sorry, just got a message today about Friends discount, don't worry not a huge amount (Trek-liters only!)
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  21. JKM

    JKM Thru Hiker

    I had a message from Tony offering $5 off the asta mid after it had sat in my cart for a while, but nothing off the inner.
  22. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    This! i pay import vat on big orders and sometimes duty too
  23. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    Tony is usually pretty good with discounts for return customers so, at least, you're all set for your next orders.;)
  24. tallest of pauls

    tallest of pauls Ultralighter

    What diameter pole would be needed for this type of tarp if not using a walking pole? As in when does an alloy pole stop becoming bendy? I was thinking of an 11mm pole cut to length but is that too thin..?
  25. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    IMO 11mm is too small......16mm dia 7045 T6 alloy would be ideal.

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