Discussion in 'Packs & Accessories' started by theoctagon, Feb 1, 2018.
Out of interest how waterproof have you all found the bags in showers etc?
They're not seam sealed so you can get water in but in light showers I haven't had a problem.
The DCF is waterproof until it begins to get abraded. I use a bin bag inside as insurance. Keeps out dust too
The VX isnt waterproof.
Happy to be corrected but I don't think that's true. VX is as waterproof as DCF but isn't as easy to tape. A DCF pack will leak through the stitching holes just as VX will, but with DCF it's easier to tape and therefore seal the seams.
I think possibly the trick missed was a drain hole at the bottom of these packs. Its kinda OK for a non-seam-sealed pack to leak a little and you just plan accordingly with a liner. But if the water can pool then it can become a problem.
Having said that, mine has been out in all kinds of weather, including being piled up with snow, and it remained dry.
Thanks for this. I see what you mean, but I do have a couple of framed bags at the 45L mark so this one is deliberately aimed at forcing me to minimise. No Kettle Chips in this one
I got one of these 3f ul 40+15 ones from Ali with a view to modding but it's just too big and will just encourage me to take more stuff than I need. Must move that on too before I start cutting it.
Take your point James
Probably came in through the seams as you say...mine had to suffer driving rain and snow for several sessions here and there so I just accepted mine wasn’t a totally waterproof Pack.
Hence the bin bag.
I've only used mine a few nights but:
Volume - def go for more, it's a tiny weight penalty for a lot of flexibility and as others have said you can just roll it down.
Bottom pocket - personally it's a gamechanger for me, use as intended for snacks and rubbish, the port is ace
Hip pockets - I do use them a lot (more than shoulder pockets) but wish the zip were on top. It's hard to get larger items in/out (power banks, phones, etc.)
Shoulder pocket - I always use one for a 500 ml bottle to ensure I keep hydrated and because I have to loosen the straps to actually get a full bottle out of the side pockets
I went without load lifters. Probably regret this if I'm honest because I have had to carry 2-3 days water/food before.
Y-strap - it's a bit weird (I made a thread about this). I would prefer a normal strap it retrospect as I think I'd only use the Y for a bear can.
Water ingress - VX21 and from new I had it in several hours of rain from light to very heavy and only had a few damp patches. I still use a drysack liner.
All this reminds me that I promised my Atom a wander along the Cleveland Way and it still hasn't happened.
Pockets, I originally went for one hip and one shoulder pocket. I liked the hip pocket so much I ordered a second. I still haven't found a use for the shoulder pocket. Best of all is the bottom pocket, map just slips away with ease.
I definitely get some water ingress in heavy rain through the seams in my VX21 Atom packs. Its not a scientific assessment, but I got the impression that there is less water ingress with the Durston 40l pack, possibly due to different seam construction (bound seams)? Either way, I'd always use a pack liner.
I'm also lurking as an Atom-hopeful, trying to figure out specs. Thanks for pointing out about the pockets - I hadn't noticed that and would definitely want bucket pockets. I think... I wonder why he designs them like he does?
How is the LS21 working out for you? Was thinking of going with that myself but very few people seem to choose it, so not much feedback around...
RE shoulder pockets, apparently there's daisy chain under behind the stretch pockets. Would it be possible to attach something to that? Seems a bit of an odd setup. Although I suppose that means that if the stretch pockets turn out not to work for you you could just cut them off... I like the idea of them personally, although I see what you mean about rain.
Also... Anyone want to share a pack-pic to go with their specs? Disappointing lack of pics in the most recent discussion, I think!
I asked about the LS21 when ordering my second Atom pack, as it seemed interesting and is quite light. I've looked at a sample and in the end I went with VX21. I wasn't convinced of durability of LS21 vs VX21, particularly from a waterproofing perspective. The waterproofing is from an impregnated fabric coating rather than a plastic membrane, so this could wear and with the relatively coarse weave of the backing fabric it might then leak relatively easily.
Z side elastic
side compression/closure option
reverse front pocket
lineloc side pockets
2 x hip pouches
2 x shoulder pouches
Mine is LS21 and needs absolutely terrential rain before it comes in.
Sadly, that's not exact an unusual occurance.
After 2-3 hours of pounding rain I will probably have a couple of tablespoons of water in the bottom of the pack.
I think it comes in mainly where the hipbelt is sewn in as the top of the pack is always dry.
I like it.
I'm intending to get some bikepacking gear made from the same stuff.
Here is mine in various stages of disaray
First (grey) is 40l Atom+
Second (brown) is 60l Mo
2 shoulder strap stretch pockets
Atom+ has the dyneema stretch mesh (this is very tough but fairly tight) and the Mo has the bullet mesh (a bitt more volume). I swap the elastic on the front pocket to a lighter (stretchier) grade as the stock elastic makes filling thee pocket more difficult.
There is a minor customisation on both in the spacing of the shoulder straps
(Bad) pics of mine are earlier in the thread.
VX07 body and back panel
20mm removable webbing hipbelt.
And another pic that I think I've posted before.
Tom has a crack vertebrae after crashing his mountain bike, luckily he's not too bad.
Oofty, those sorts of banal but potentially life changing accidents are the ones that freak me out the most, hope he makes a full recovery.
"sometimes this **** just happens and for now, I feel very fortunate to have walked out of hospital unaided."
I crushed T6 in a big bike crash in 2006. It was a life changer, but I still think of myself as the luckiest man walking. Best wishes to Tom and I hope he makes a full recovery.
I've read about the water pooling issues in the bottom of packs made from water proof materials like DCF and Xpac.
Do Atompacks have these issues? Or can you get additional holes and / or Robic on the bottom to help with this. The latter might be better for durability too.
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