Base Weight

Discussion in 'Gear Chat' started by gixer, May 3, 2019.

  1. Bob-W

    Bob-W Summit Camper

    gixer - I decant straight into a water bottle so my weight calcs are a little different to yours. The big difference isn't so much weight as convenience of usage: you need to find a pool deep enough to fill the Sawyer's pouch whereas with the Trailshot you just need to submerge the input valve.

    Edit: I think my Sawyer is the micro
  2. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Can't see how it's surprising mate

    You're using different clean bag, different filter and different scoop with no hanging kit

    Curious, what's the point of having a smaller clean bag?
    Surely if you went the same sizes it'd be more efficient weight wise?
  3. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Agreed, it's just so much easier, quicker and convenient

    For me the weight is secondary, you couldn't pay me enough to faff with a Sawyer again, so many times i've left the kit hanging for hours, or sat on the dirty water bag to see only a trickle out of it

    Flow rate of the Trailshot is so much better

    For me and the setup i was using though the TS is lighter as well, so win/win :D
  4. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I'm surprised that our 2L Evernew is lighter than yours and that our supposedly heavier Micro is nearly half the weight of your Mini.
    1.5L fits better in Bozena's rucksack side pickets. Truth is we'll also usually ha e another 1.5L Evernew and a 1.5 litre plastic bottle as waterpoints can be scarce. In summer we'll even add another 2L container.
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  5. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I used to be a fan of the trailshot myself but it gave me more grief than enjoyment. I bought it for the same reason you state... No scooping water and the ability to take just a quick mouthful on the move if I just sold mine last week and finished up borrowing my friends on the trail and he's worked a lot better than mine ever did.

    , I've spoken to a retailer and they have found that some just seem to work well and some just don't you pay your brass and take your pick....
    or do you?
  6. Bob-W

    Bob-W Summit Camper

    Chiseller - I think you may be right. I've had two Trailshots and my wife has one. With my first I could get nowhere near the advertised flow rate, I'd be lucky to get 200ml/min. My wife's and my newer one are much better.
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  7. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Glad you got sorted and found the flow as it should be I've just switched over to the micro as it appeals to me with its ability to just add a straw and suck it straight from source allegedly.... my friends TrailShot was a doddle to use at the weekend and I was very tempted to buy another.
  8. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    I included the quick release weight on the bladders though

    This is the squeeze filter, but to give you an idea of the QR

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    You're right filter weight does seem high, i'm seeing 90g for the squeeze 45g for the Mini
    Maybe i included the cyclone adaptor with that weight, dunno
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  9. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Ah, I missed the quick releases.
    I don't think I'd be keen to use the Sawyer one handed.
  10. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    When the flow rate was decent it wasn't too much of a ball ache, when they started to block though it was a nightmare.
    Easier to use my weight to an advantage and just sit on the dirty water bladder :D

    The BeFree flows really well, but i had pin holes in the bladder (small one 700ml i think)

    With the Trailshot the flow rate has been great, i attach a a hose straight to my drinking bladder hose (inside rucksack) and pump away, does a great job

    Granted it's not as easy to backflush and in theory won't last as long as a Sawyer, but i usually change the filter once a year anyways so for me it's no problem
    Last edited: May 8, 2019
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  11. dovidola

    dovidola Section Hiker

    Sawyer Micro 50g (dry)
    Sawyer 1L pouch (unfiltered water) 18g
    Platypus 2L pouch (filtered water) 36g
    Sawyer Coupling (for backflushing 'in the field') 4g
    Sawyer Straw (makes for easier filling of Platypus from filter) 1g
    Total 109g
    Not included is the scoop because that's my drinking mug (carried anyway), and my backup 12x1L chlorine dioxide tabs (6g). Obviously I don't do a gravity system, but this covers my needs. So far the Micro has proved much faster than the Mini it replaced, but it's too early to say if that will remain the case.
    When you realise that the weight of this entire hydration 'system' is equivalent to a mere couple of swigs of water, it throws the weight-saving advantages of having the ability to utilise otherwise unavailable water sources into perspective. I'd estimate it's reduced my average pack weight by 1kg-2kg per day.
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  12. Taz38

    Taz38 Thru Hiker

    ...Baseweight...

    ;)

    My son is doing his DofE bronze for real this weekend o_O

    His bag was "a bit" too heavy at practice, party my fault, the fact he was made to carry half of 3 two man tents, and the sneaking in of a portable dvd player + dvds (starwars) and a kindle o_Oo_O.
    He had beautiful blisters and slept for two days.

    I repacked it today while he was in school and got it down to 7kgs including food and .5L of water. Considering the bag weighs 1.8kg that's not too bad. Not sure yet what they'll give him to carry this time, hopefully it won't (shouldn't) be more than 3kgs. The dvd player is hiding in the loft. Instead he gets to use my nice heavy battery pack so he can charge his phone.

    I'm also hoping the new and totally unworn boots will not give him blisters this time. They fit him better than the previous pair.

    Sawyer filter:
    I use the older style mini, I just use it as a straw, when in camp I usually boil water so don't need it (much). Gets too complex trying other methods and you end up carrying more bits.
    Last edited: May 8, 2019
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  13. Padstowe

    Padstowe Section Hiker

    I lift then swing pack over shoulder with one hand by the grab handle when fully packed, & that's my scale as to how easy it feels.
    I hope & try not to get to caught up in the numbers, sure I like to buy light but it's not because am trying to achieve sub whatever, I just want to have less strain on my body at the end of the day.
    Base weight seems to me a competition that I have zero interest in entering. I buy things with weight in mind, after that weight is second to suitability for situation & maybe even want of comfort.
    I like reading other people's gear list, the weights can look nice at times but at the end of the day someone else's pack weight is their pack weight for whatever reason & I find them neither anything to be envious over or laughable at if heavy.
    I couldn't tell ye what my pack base weight is, & to be honest I really don't want to start down that path. :nailbiting:
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  14. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Ditto.
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  15. Lamont-Cranston

    Lamont-Cranston Ultralighter

    I am happy to accede to the walk your own walk philosophy. Most certainly. I feel the way other people choose to walk is none of my business. But may I just offer, that myself, getting a bit longer in the tooth than probably many of you younger trampers on here, have found the (U)light BW a bit of a revelation in the last year or two. I can now walk with far less taxing effort -further and longer. For me, it has been something that has kept me tramping around and very happy to go out -my joints, back, legs whatever -all are far less strained, and I started with a healthy amount of muscle mass from many years of weight training and surfing. Because I get out more, my less healthy weight is more easily controlled and I have added the healthy muscle mass weight. So personally for me -a win all round. I did not believe how good a UL BW could be until I managed it.
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  16. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I'm in training to lose 3kg body weight so I can carry with ease my stool lol... I've neglected it on the past two treks and it's sorely missed.... That and I enjoy folks faces when they see a bearded hiker in a seethru skirt carrying a chair on his pack ;)
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  17. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Aye i'm with you on taking a chair, makes a difference if you're camping with mates
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  18. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    We are the chairs sub-group. Groupuscule.
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  19. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    Yes i agree strongly with this. I really noticed the benefit of using @Shewie chair up in the gorms. Was really comfortable and he carried it :D what price good mates :D Think i managed to steal @Chiseller chair in the lakes too on another occasion. Some very light weight options out there when you get others to carry it :D
  20. Jon jons

    Jon jons Ultralighter

    Just eat 23100 calories less than usual. Boom 6kg lost.
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  21. Baldy

    Baldy Thru Hiker

    who's the chairperson/man/woman ?
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  22. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    We’re sitting on that information.
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