Carbon pole

Discussion in 'Shopping' started by Jon jons, Oct 21, 2018.

  1. Jon jons

    Jon jons Summit Camper

  2. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Be nice if someone wwould start making 20mm 1mm wall thickness poles for taller shelters in bad weather.
  3. Ken T.

    Ken T. Section Hiker

  4. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I use cut down carbonesque golf clubs. Works for me and holds in winds. Not the greatest fit for the tips ...bit close enough for me.
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    Gives height when needed and space when in A-frame mode
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  5. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I've been using cut down naturehike alloy pole, 167cm long about 20mm and 258g/9oz, so I could save 2oz with a Ruta 0.71"/18mm.
    Lighter and probably stronger than most hiking poles attached together.
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  6. Dave Vaughan

    Dave Vaughan Moderator Staff Member

    I know alloy can bend and snap but I have seen a carbon walking pole literally shatter in cold weather. It was the lower section that had been through rivers, grass, bogs all day and then simply gave way shattering. Due to this I'd rather stick with alloy where even it if snaps and bends I can make some form of support.
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  7. shetland_breeder

    shetland_breeder Trail Blazer

    So, what make of 'carbon' pole was it? Did you (or someone else) examine the pieces to see if it broke at a score/scratch or whether there was a manufacturing defect?

    Carbon tubes wont stand the abuse an alloy one will. If you use light gear you have to take proper care of it, and for carbon tubes that means not damaging them. There's a good reason many carbon poles come with allow bottom sections.
  8. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I've seen a couple of carbon poles fail in spectacular fashion in high winds too, it's not just the cold that kills them, this has always made me a bit wary of using CF in rough weather.
  9. Dave Vaughan

    Dave Vaughan Moderator Staff Member

    They were Alpkit carbonlite poles and probably around a year old. I would not say they had been used a great deal or neglected, he looked after his kit pretty well.

    There was no warning that I remember the pole just broke up, shattering whilst walking up the valley from Lints tor on Dartmoor.

    The lower section was in a few long pieces and a few smaller bits, splintering from around mid way down the section. My friend just put the failure down to the cold making the carbon brittle.
  10. shetland_breeder

    shetland_breeder Trail Blazer

    AFIK carbon fibre is not subject to cold embrittlement. But the matrix (some sort of resin probably with fillers) may well be. And it seems wrapped carbon tubes are stronger than cheaper 'pultruded' tube in which the fibres are unidirectionally aligned. I'm sure manufacturers have a way of applying a decal or something to the outside of the tube to make it look like a wrapped tube.

    I imagine the Alpkit tubes are pultruded given theri price point - that failure certainly sounds like what you would get with unidirectionally aligned fibres.

    I have an idea Leki uses wrapped tube - MLD and Rota Locura certainly do.
  11. Ken T.

    Ken T. Section Hiker

    Pultruded poles like golf clubs are much less forgiving than wrapped construction. The Ruta Locura poles are very stiff. The adjustment option is pretty handy. 45mph winds and no flexing in my mid.
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  12. shetland_breeder

    shetland_breeder Trail Blazer

    But of course, not all pultruded poles are born equal. A golf club shaft undoubtedly has different requirements to a walking pole. I don't know anything about golf clubs by I would guess cost and weight come a bit further down the list than they do for walking poles, and conversely the ability to withstand sudden high loads comes higher.
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  13. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    How much load does a carbon golf club shaft have to endure with a big bertha iron on the end...? I do have to tape the ends of the ones I've cut as they do split if not wrapped in a good few layers of tape.
    I've used them in some good winds bit not what I would call a true 'Hoolie'
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  14. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Have you tried coating the cut end in epoxy?
  15. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    No, it's something I don't have access to :(
  16. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Araldite, easily acquired mate.
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