Do you use a liner?

Discussion in 'Sleeping Bags & Quilts' started by JKM, May 23, 2016.

  1. JKM

    JKM Thru Hiker

    Yes. Older style polypropylene tops like helly Hansen may stink but newer materials/treatments are much better.
    I used a Haglofs Ridge Tee for 3 days in the heat of the summer with hardly any discernable whiff. It has a 'lava' treatment which I believe is simlar to polygene.

    I love merino for the warmth and comfort but the Haglofs top changed my mind about using it as a base layer when active so I am moving over to modern synthetic instead.
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  2. captain paranoia

    captain paranoia Summit Camper

    I sleep in long-limbed base layers. That leaves two areas exposed: head and feet, bit of which can be pretty dirty, with the dirtier area being the face, since that produces more body oils than most other areas of your body. At least mine does...

    Even though I do use a mummy silk liner, the area around the head still gets dirty from body oil. I washed my lightweight 'travel' bag over Christmas. I used a liquid soap, and I don't think it got rid of years of accumulated body oil. And the down in those areas didn't fluff up like the rest of the bag, so I think the down is probably contaminated with body oil, and I'll have to give it a more aggressive wash with a detergent.
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  3. JKM

    JKM Thru Hiker

    Hair oil I can do nothing about bar washing it or wearing a hat.
    But for oily face / neck / shoulders I use an alcohol based astringent lotion. I take this with me already applied to the required number (1-2 per day) of double faced cotton pads which are then sealed in a small (c5*5cm) ziplock poly bag. In emergency you could even light a fire /stove with them if you had flint/lighter.
    For the tiny grammes they weigh they are well worth it for me but if you have a beard or heavy stubble they won't be a much use.
  4. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    It's always a good idea to wash down filled items twice in soap if they are dirty and losing loft. Soap isn't good at dissolving oils/grease and a second wash (usually) has them lofting back up like new.

    Down jackets and sleeping bags always get a second wash in soap. Whenever they get one wash, I never get very good results.
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  5. Rat Man

    Rat Man Hiker

    Never used a liner, and I sleep in base layers, so the base layers get washed, but not the bag. Had my best down jacket for 8 years now, and never been washed, and don't even smell, according to me !

    The suppliers will recommend you should use one, just like a lot of kit, but its so they can make more money.

    I take care of my down bag, and it should never get dirty due to being in a tent/tarp/hammock and never gets wet or thrown about on the ground, so I don't see the point in spending more money and carrying more weigh.
  6. captain paranoia

    captain paranoia Summit Camper

    My face must be oilier than yours; it soon replenishes after cleaning. It's what the sebaceous glands are intended to do, I guess.

    If going light, I wear socks and a silk balaclava...
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  7. Taz38

    Taz38 Thru Hiker

    How warm do you find the Reactor Extreme?
  8. Tim Savage

    Tim Savage Summit Camper

    An aged post I know, but a definite yes to liners. The natural body oils and filth that come of you at the end of the day on longer hikes impact on the sleeping bag and deteriorate it over a period of time. I use either silk liners or the Thermolite liner form Sea to Summit when I want a bit of extra warmth. Having said that there's nothing wrong with sowing up an old sheet into a homemade liner
  9. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I made a liner out of 2m of the ali 10d dwr tent fabric, 80g, if i mummy cut it probably 65-70g and only £10 to make. Its lighter than any of my t shirts or bass layer bottoms so plan is to use it when its warm enough to definatly not have a second use for the thermals.
    Another sponser cheque in the post ;)
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  10. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Bags do deteriorate over time with oils or dirt.
    Then you wash them to restore performance.
    I don't get hung up about it.
    We don't use a liner with sleeping bags. And wear whatever. Sometimes the clothes walked in, sometimes long undies, sometimes insulation . It's situation dependent.

    I have a very light short non-hooded silk liner which I sometimes use with my quilt to cut draughts and protect it from very dirty clothing. In hot times it stops me sticking to my mat and doubles as a towel.
  11. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    i think thats the thing with down. folk get worried by it in so many ways. I abuse the crap out of mine. Pack it rock solid and wash stuff in normal non bio wash tabs. Never had a problem. I actually think normal wash powder is better than simple soaps as long as its non bio.
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  12. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I agree Paul.

    The compression phobia some have puzzles me ( apart from packing issues). . I'm sure I read Chris Townsend write years ago that a vac -packed down bag stored for several years was perfectly good when released.

    It's certainly counter to my experience that it damages loft. I recently had a very well used 9 year old bag professionally cleaned and dried and assessed by Mountaineering Designs. (never washed and often compressed hard ). He reckoned it fine condition. It's very lofty again now .

    The best lofting jackets I've seen this year are mates who said they just stick em in the home washing machine. (A very old Rab summit and 7year old Alpkit Filo)
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  13. Lady Grey

    Lady Grey Thru Hiker

    Detest liners. They don't work for restless sleepers.
    Wear base layer instead. More comfy.
    Agree, wash bags when necessary.
  14. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    When I was a lad and before the internet taught me that down bags were to be treated with care and reverence, I only had the one down bag. It got used year round, as a sleeping bag when cold and as a blanket when warm. I would not have been seen dead wearing long johns. It always came back rather filthy from scout camps, went into the washing machine, dried on a line and was promptly stuffed back into its compression sack until the next camp. Never failed me once...

    The joy of innocence. ;)
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  15. Ken T.

    Ken T. Section Hiker

    Doesn't anyone have a wipe down before putting their filthy self to bed. Pigs if you don't. F no to liners.
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  16. Toot

    Toot Summit Camper

    Have liners but haven't used them for a long time. Silk one just tangles me up which doesn't aid sleep. Fleece one better and warmer but bulky and I don't need it - drape a jacket over the top or something like that instead. Pair of Ron Hill Tracksters and a spare baselayer top is bedwear - clean to protect the bag but available as spare day clothing too should I get an unexpected dunking or whatever. Always wash and dry feet (so hands too) and use medicated talc then cover with liner socks and bedsocks (spare warm hiking socks) or even down booties if it's very cold. Warm dry fresh feet really helps sleep and you'll need them in good condition next day so look after 'em. Muddy day or more than one night out is only time attending to the filthy self is likely.
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  17. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Oink...on occasion
  18. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Ditto. Bed clothes = spare clothes and kept clean. Vary depending on the season and SB taken.

    @Ken T. UK conditions are generally NOT dry and dusty - so bit different to the US (…….well the southern bits) :).
    Most UK hikers may have sweaty bods when they go to bed but rarely be very dusty.
  19. Ken T.

    Ken T. Section Hiker

    Plenty damp in my old stomping grounds but yes salty, dusty is the norm, but still a wipe down feels fantastic. Why deprive yourself?
  20. hillwalker66

    hillwalker66 Trail Blazer

    I've never cleaned any of my down items myself yet , my minimus down jkt could maybe do with a wash now . Do you dry in-between each wash ? or wash - rinse , then wash - rinse again before drying . sorry if this seems a daft question
  21. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    The way I've done it: wash, rinse, rinse then wash, rinse, rinse, rinse, etc until no trace of soap. Dry over line/ clothes horse for ages then tumble dry on low.
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  22. hillwalker66

    hillwalker66 Trail Blazer

    Thanks
  23. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Be very careful when handling dripping wet down stuff, very easy to damage seams especially internal baffles.
    After rinsing in the bath I've rolled into a plastic washing basket to lift stuff out (a strong mesh bag would also work) then left to drip/ drain before air drying.
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