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Does anyone make Apex quilts with an insulation bias? More at the lower end, and less at the top end? That could be paired with a lightish insulated jacket as a sleep system with equivalent bulk/weight maybe?I'm sitting on the fence regarding an Apex 167 Liteway quilt. Can't decide if I prefer the lower price and head slot of the Liteway, or lighter weight of a GramXpert.
Anyone with a Liteway able to share experiences if the head slot is actually useful and they ended up wearing it round camp rather than packing another warm layer?
I'm thinking it could be a great way to save weight on bikepacking trips where pack space is very tight.
I'm pretty sure GramXpert would if you asked.Does anyone make Apex quilts with an insulation bias? More at the lower end, and less at the top end? That could be paired with a lightish insulated jacket as a sleep system with equivalent bulk/weight maybe?
Liteway will do you one without a head slot at the same price. I contacted them and asked last year.I'm sitting on the fence regarding an Apex 167 Liteway quilt. Can't decide if I prefer the lower price and head slot of the Liteway, or lighter weight of a GramXpert.
Anyone with a Liteway able to share experiences if the head slot is actually useful and they ended up wearing it round camp rather than packing another warm layer?
I'm thinking it could be a great way to save weight on bikepacking trips where pack space is very tight.
MLD FKTDoes anyone make Apex quilts with an insulation bias? More at the lower end, and less at the top end? That could be paired with a lightish insulated jacket as a sleep system with equivalent bulk/weight maybe?
When I was going through options with Gramxpert, they were happy to do it. They price it as you buying the full quilt in the heavier insulation.Does anyone make Apex quilts with an insulation bias? More at the lower end, and less at the top end? That could be paired with a lightish insulated jacket as a sleep system with equivalent bulk/weight maybe?
Does anyone make Apex quilts with an insulation bias? More at the lower end, and less at the top end? That could be paired with a lightish insulated jacket as a sleep system with equivalent bulk/weight maybe?
I've not worn mine at camp as it's not been cold enough to warrant it.
I do wear it over my head a lot at home... Saved a fortune on heating bills
Its a good way of venting some heat out, without removing the quilt when you've got the pad straps attached under your pad.
Liteway will do you one without a head slot at the same price. I contacted them and asked last year.
As an aside most of the extra weight of the Liteway comes from the use of 37-40g/m2 20D fabric. They are looking at using lighter 10-12d fabric which will save 80-100 grams but add circa 25-35% to the price.
He was Mr. Masdrop for quite a while.
After watching this video, I left my puffy behind on 10 days section of the gr5 a few years back. I didn't freeze to death, but I did manage to get cooking water on the quilt, lightly singe it, and accidentally walk the ends through mud. Or shiver violently and rush through all my camp chores so I could get inside the tent and quilt asap. I may be slightly clumsy, but it made me appreciate the value of having an actual head slot if poncho was to be a frequent intended use. For sitting around, then different wrapping techniques work well, I just find the head slot a lot easier.
I'm a bit clumsy. I melted the sleeve of my jacket..
I expect I'd be similar.
The main heat loss from a drawcord footbox closure is through the small hole created by the bunching fabric. Easily cured by snugging the cord closure around a sock.you can't have a sewn footbox so it's generally going to be less efficient at keeping you warm.
I'm planning to carry an extra crew neck Alpha direct top -combined with my Argon hoody which I'd have anyway, or silpoly raincoat-160 gms all up. Should be as warm. That's the plan anywayAye. I guess it's best use case is where you're humming and hawing about whether really need to bring all 300g of insulated jacket or not. It provides a better and more usable solution than the "quilt hacks" in the video. Of course, you're adding a massive 25-50g of weight in having the poncho closure system - and you can't have a sewn footbox so it's generally going to be less efficient at keeping you warm.
The video above shows that very well (although I perhaps would have sized up the jacket).Re: wearing a quilt / poncho, I might embarrass myself at some point and try and make vid showing how to wear a quilt inside a jacket (shell / WP jacket best i guess), including the sleeves, to turn yourself into a Michelin man style, very warm camper. Saw a French guy on Youtube doing so, can't find the video again now. Haven't tried in the field yet. Imagine it would be too warm for doing anything apart from sitting around. Obviously quite faffy to achieve, found putting the quilt stuffed jacket on by kinda sliding into it whilst its laid on the floor works best. Soooo warm tho, and you can even fashion a hood too! Looking forward to experimenting with it post lockdown. Probably whilst solo camping well away from anyone else