Looking at Apex or other synthetic insulation jackets

Discussion in 'Clothing & Footwear' started by halfshark, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. halfshark

    halfshark Trekker

    Have been using a Patagucci Doen Sweater up until this point, but am now wondering whether it’s worth the slight extra wait to get an EE Torrid and not worry about the weather so much.

    Or maybe the Rab Xenon X to avoid import charges?

    Does anyone have any experience with these or any recommendations? Cheers
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  2. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    No experience with either, though I have a Rab Xenon (earlier, lighter version) and I really like it.
    But, as you're probably aware, Apex is reputedly more durable than Primaloft. If you want Apex but without the import charges, Cumulus do a couple of Apex tops.
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  3. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I have had a Xenon X for a few years.

    Nice jacket.

    If it was Apex, would be even better due to insulation resilience.

    But really, any reasonable quality well designed synthetic jacket will do the job of warth in damp conditions if features and fit are right. Loads of similar models out there.

    Though I guess you are looking at weight primarily? Haglofs barrier pro is a good lighter one if it fits and still available.
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  4. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    I’ve got an EE torrid. The weight is incredible, including pocket zips and hood toggles. I’ve been using it cycling around town but not yet on the hill. It’s been way too hot for cycling, even on the coldest day we have had recently down here. Haven’t had it long so can’t comment further. I chose a disgusting colour though! I look like a projectile cowpat.
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  5. halfshark

    halfshark Trekker

    Cheers guys. Just managed to get a Xenon X for 100 on ebay so we'll see how that goes. With customs and shipping, the Torrid was looking like well over 250 so might have to wait for a future birthday :)
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  6. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    Are there any alternatives to the Torrid from Europe that use Apex? If I can’t find any, I might get a Torrid next year.
  7. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker


    There's also Nunatak from the states I think?
  8. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    I have a torrid jacket and trousers on the way. Wish they did 100gsm Apex but 65 Will probably be fine.
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  9. Toby

    Toby Trekker

    Cumulus got two apex models that look pretty good (Climalite Pullover & Full Zip). I've also heard that GramXpert have an apex jacket in the works (a prototype is shown here: )


    which definitively seem like a solid alternative to the EE Torrid! Hopefully it's not to expensive once it releases:)
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  10. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    Thanks. Might email GramXpert.
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  11. Toby

    Toby Trekker

    Please report back with price & weight if you do!:)
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  12. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    I actually contacted Kajo about an Apex jacket, as someone on the forum has one and it looks great. At the time he said he only has the pattern to make them in his size (s/m) :(
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  13. Arne L.

    Arne L. Section Hiker

    I have a GramXpert prototype jacket and I'm really happy with it.

    Ordered it earlier this year and I happen to have the same dimensions as the owners & Alex (the hiker in the video posted above).

    Mine is Apex 100, price was EUR 200 and weight somewhere around 275 grams.

    Used it in Norway this summer & in the Chartreuse late september.

    It's amazingly warm, the hood is really great, stitching and quality superb. It has a full length zipper & handwarmer pockets.

    As far as I know they're not offering jackets in other sizes at the moment.

    If you have any questions, shoot. I can't recommend GramXpert enough.
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  14. Toby

    Toby Trekker

    Exactly what I was looking for, thanks a bunch! Too bad that they don't seem to do XL yet.. I'll probably have to email them and ask, an XL in Apex 67 would be really nice!

    Are there any cords to adjust the lower hem and hood?
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  15. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    What’s your normal size or chest measurement? I’m normally a Medium, c. 102cm chest for jackets.
  16. Arne L.

    Arne L. Section Hiker

    Small. No idea about my chest size but I think it could work; just drop them a mail and give them your measurements.

    There are. They're simple but work really well.
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  17. Daymoth

    Daymoth Ultralighter

    I have a Xenon and LOVE IT. Such a nice piece of gear. Great for summer alpine nights or summits. Will be taking it this winter on day trips for when I stop. ( Its not something for active use. And probably would want something warmer for winter overnights).
  18. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I hiked in -° in mine last year. Worked well and wicked great when Fast-Packing. After the 1st time it got wet with cold rain.....I sold it. Didn't feel the warmth that it should have provided .
  19. Daymoth

    Daymoth Ultralighter

    Interesting to know!
  20. benp1

    benp1 Summit Camper

    I have three favourite synthetic insulation options I have for outdoorsy use (also have others which are used less)

    Berghaus hypertherm - my favourite jacket. Always nice to put on, not massively warm so generally take this 3 season. Good at being layered over or under
    Berghaus capucin - warm and comfy. Use this in winter and my last two alps trips
    Paramo torres gilet - used for mountain biking. Robust and warm, heavy for what it is though, but I'm happy sticking this on when I'm covered in mud. Have the sleeves too, though they're almost unused
  21. PhilHo

    PhilHo Ultralighter

    Berghaus hypertherm and capucin don't seem to be currently available.

    I'm looking for a synthetic insulated jacket with a hood to carry instead of my Montane Anti-freeze jacket (which has no hood) for when I stop. Any suggestions welcome. I'll probably wait until the post Christmas sales.
  22. benp1

    benp1 Summit Camper

    Berghaus range has changed hasn't it, just went onto their website. Shame that

    I think the berghaus reversa is still available (and in the sale), that's a bit of the both of them
  23. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    I have a reversa and like it. Just a little heavier for the insulation it provides than necessary imo, plus the pockets don't have insulation.
  24. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Berghaus Reversa is on Sportpursuit for £75 in small or large and £90 in Xsmall, small and large (different colour).
  25. PhilHo

    PhilHo Ultralighter

    Would you say that the Reversa compares more with a Montane Prism than it does with the heavier Montane Flux?

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