Making a Cone using Captain Paranoias Cone Potstand Tool on Zenstoves.net - busting the myth?

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  1. Meadows

    Meadows Section Hiker

    Not sure what happened here!!
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    I'll try again

    It seemed to be fairly straight forward entering the pot variables etc.
    I was not sure what this measurement was though

    Depth of Mid Handle: mm.
    You get to define where mid handle is
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2016
  2. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Something along the way seriously wrong there!:D

    Mid handle is just an intermediate point where the handle might change width - If your top and bottom handle widths are the same (i.e. handles are parallel) then the middle handle width is the same as top and bottom, and so the mid handle point can be anywhere really. If handles are not parallel, i.e. top width different than bottom, then the mid handle height and point will need to be chosen/defined.
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  3. Padowan

    Padowan Trail Blazer

    Did you cut out and assemble the overview that's on the first page of the generated file?

    Other possibility is that you had the wrong paper size selected in the tool. There's an option at the top of the form, "Large Paper" you need to select NO if you're printing out on A4 versus A3. That will scale up the print sections on the pages after the overview to be sized for A4.
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2016
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  4. Padowan

    Padowan Trail Blazer

    And a point on the mid handle - as the cone flares out as it gets nearer the bottom, even if your handles are parallel, you can narrow the handle gap. If you look back at my first attachment showing my paper template, you can see the step. Oh, and the handle depth measurements it asks for are the depth from the top of the cone, not the absolute depth of the handle itself.

    The generator also does seem to add a bit of extra space around the handle, so i found its best if you put your actual handle dimensions in and let it add the space, rather than adding your own fudge factor.
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  5. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I've just successfully printed out a correctly sized template for my Toaks 550 using this method.
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  6. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

    Photo please :)
  7. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

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    Made a 'ULC' type cone for it.

    20g plus 6g silicone band.

    Added extra holes after a couple boil tests.
    Speedster stove.
    Can't quite get a boil with15ml, but 20ml does it, and keeps rolling for over a minute.
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2016
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  8. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

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  9. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    What foil is that ?
  10. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Not foil. Flashing.
  11. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Ahhh. The stuff with the coating. Thanks :)
  12. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Yup. I sanded it off this time. Used a multi tool.
  13. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I don't think I'm game for sanding off acres of coating on behalf of a bunch of unappreciative teenage boys………..NB - they are mostly a nice bunch of kids but the're unlikely to be as keen on 'cones' as I am ;)
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  14. Meadows

    Meadows Section Hiker

    Thanks for the replies and additional info.

    My first mini cone was due to user error. Padawans suggestion with the paper size thing was correct.
    Thanks
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  15. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

    Looks great @Mole , would you mind sending me the file you created?
  16. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    No problem. Pm me your email and I'll send you the pdf.

    A TiWing stove for Esbit won't fit in this one, but a Gram Cracker or BGET does.

    I tried a BGET with 10g of old Army Hexamine. It was soft and hard to light, so resorted to a few drops of meths to start it up, but once going it took 14mins to a 500ml rolling boil and carried on for 2 more minutes.

    I've done a pdf for a full height Flissure too, which should be more efficient with alcohol, and will accept a Ti Wing. But will be twice as heavy. I'll probably make one because the ULC type needs a silicone band, and having the band on the pot, prevents it from sliding down inside the 600ml Fold-a-cup I use as a bowl/cup :(
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2016
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  17. Stuart

    Stuart Ultralighter

    Where do you get the silicon bands from?
  18. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    The wrist sized ones are easy to find - many charities give them out.

    I have a pan somewhat bigger that didn't have a rolled rim. I bought some silicone tape and wound it round the pan, several times, stretching it as I went. A bit of trimming and I can now use it on a cone :D Search on ebay 'silicone tape'.
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2016
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  19. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    A note added to the first post.

    NB: The figures already shown on the cone generator are those needed for a cone for an MSR Titan Kettle. The stove height is set at 32mm (maybe a soda can stove or Red Bull chimney?), so will need modifying - e.g. 20mm for a screwtop Speedster or 24mm for the current Starlyte.
    If flissure is enabled a split cone pattern is produced. Recommended - as can store cone neatly nested in the pan.
  20. EM - Tacblades

    EM - Tacblades Ultralighter

    Well it looks as tho it might just work, tricky with a low handle but shoukd be ok. Going to change the way it joins together for a different design.



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  21. Meadows

    Meadows Section Hiker

    Nice one.
    What pot and burner is that for?
    Try playing around with reducing the handle width for more coverage and have the top section starting inside to keep a more conical shape.
    Have you got your material sorted?
    Neil
  22. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    I'd experiment with reducing no of vents in the base too.
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  23. EM - Tacblades

    EM - Tacblades Ultralighter

    Its for my own nano ceramic burner and the alpkit 900ml ti pot

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  24. EM - Tacblades

    EM - Tacblades Ultralighter

    ok wasnt sure the minimum number you could get away with?
  25. EM - Tacblades

    EM - Tacblades Ultralighter

    yes material is sorted good idea about starting inside. The handles are a real pain on the pots, but yes i could try to get it a closer fit..

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