Need help with layers

Discussion in 'Clothing & Footwear' started by mathijs, Mar 30, 2018.

  1. mathijs

    mathijs Backpacker

    Hi Trek-liters,

    For my upcoming trip to Scotland (Cape Wrath Trail) in may, I am not sure if I'm bringing the right layers.
    Right now i have:

    • Baselayer - Rab 160 Merino long sleeve
    • Mid - Patagonia Micro D Fleece
    • Rain jacket - Marmor Precip
    Last year i went to Scotland for a trip around the same time and i found it pretty chilly, i was basically walking with my rain jacket on the whole trip.

    Now i was wondering maybe if i replace my Fleece for a Synthetic layer like Rab Xenon X/Atom LT i can leave my rain jacket in my bag and only pull it out when it's raining? Since the Xenon/Atom are better in blocking wind/light rain then just wearing the fleece.

    Any thoughts are appreciated!
  2. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    If I was doing that walk then

    From my gear, for versatility I'd have

    thinner baselayer (120)
    Grid fleece ( Rab AL)
    Pertex windshirt (Montane )
    EVent waterproof ( Rab Bergen, very breathable compared to precip)
    Rab xenon for insulation

    This is tried and tested for numerous Scottish trips in May.
  3. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    If I was doing it I'd use an Arcteryx Motus base with a windshirt over it if necesssary when moving.

    I'd put on a down jacket when stopped if needed.

    A waterproof (Haglofs LIM) could be deployed if it got cold.

    But it sounds like you run colder than me.....
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  4. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    Just looking at my kit list for my 2014 CWT, we did it the last week in August/first week in September so temps might have been a touch warmer

    I carried a PHD Ultra smock and Prism pants which I never used, I walked in a Meco 120 base layer and Fireball smock on the cooler days, most of the time it was just a base layer and windshirt though. The Fireball is Primaloft fill with a Pertex Quantum shell so it kept wind and light showers out, on the wet days I was glad to have my Rab Demand smock.
  5. Arne L.

    Arne L. Section Hiker

    I'll second versatility.

    On my Scottish outing last year (late April, beginning of May) I wore a light baselayer (in my case Outdoor Research Echo), a simple 100-weight fleece and a windshirt. @craige carried roughly the same set-up if I'm not mistaken.

    It was pretty cold, windy and snowy; I don't think I ever took off the fleece :angelic:

    Having a fleece + windshirt instead of a hybrid combination of both always seemed more interesting to me.

    During stops or camp I wore a Cumulus down jacket; I slept in thermal baselayers.

    I carried a TNF Hyperair for when the rain came.

    It was a pretty perfect clothing set-up; at least to me.
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  6. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I'd be adding a windshirt (80g) & Cumulus down jacket (325g).
    Temp in May can very variable, below freezing with snow or 20C :)
    The only guarantee is that on a 2 week trip your going to get rained on; the only variable being how much.
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  7. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I've found Scotland in May to be a good time to pack the umbrella:)
  8. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    For walking:
    Rab Meco base layer 165
    Montane Litespeed windshirt

    For walking and stops: Rab Strata insulated vest.

    For stops/camp: Phd Smock or Rab Xenon or MB Down inner jacket

    For rain: eVent jacket

    Depending on the weather of course.

    I tend to take 2 insulated layers one light synth, one heavier down or vice versa these days.

    I find having a decent insulated layer thats breathable enough to walk in a real bonus.
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  9. Foxster

    Foxster Trail Blazer

    In general, I'd suggest an extra layer i.e. what you have now plus a thin merino jumper or another T between the T and the fleece.
  10. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Forgot to add that I'd be carrying a full base layer for sleeping in, if it turns really cold I'd wear during the day...........remember one day on a TGO a few years ago when I got 7 - 8cm of snow overnight & did just that.
  11. Baldy

    Baldy Thru Hiker

    May in Scotland :thumbsdown: could be freezing, wet or warming up a bit.

    Nike Dri-fit long sleeve base*
    Rab Vapour Rise alpine jacket

    Waterproofs in mesh pocket of OHM
    Rab Neutrino Lite in dry bag, top of pack.

    *nice and silky, anything else slides over nicely.:thumbsup:
  12. Baldy

    Baldy Thru Hiker

    and what he says.
    It's always nice to put on something dry,clean and warm for sleeping.
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  13. ColinHawke

    ColinHawke Ultralighter

    Gosh what to wear - that’s is a very personal thing.

    “When I do it” late in the year I’m probably going to choose this from my kit - a tried and tested combination for me in various conditions.

    Very thin long sleeved base layer (Rab)
    Mountain Equipment Eclipse Hooded Zip Tee (used as a mid layer when needed)
    Mountain Equipment Switch Vest (versatile slightly insulated lightweight gilet that is generally worn on all trips)
    Pertex windshirt (Rab)
    Arcteryx Atom LT Hoody (when cold or laying about) - I’d take yours as I think they are great.
    Arcteryx Alpha FL Goretex (waterproof when raining)
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  14. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    That Switch Vest looks good Colin, Polartec Alpha and around 200g :thumbsup:
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  15. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    I had EXACTLY the same :D OR echo, light fleece and Houdini windshirt. Only the brand of fleece was different.

    I did the Skye trail the next week and never wore the fleece though. It was 20°C + every day though.

    Ime it depends on walking style quite lot for what I need to wear when actually walking. When solo I tend to walk fast and stop more regularly so usually just a t-shirt and windshirt if necessary. Fleece for breaks. Arne walks a little slower and doesn't really stop so more insulation required, I got a little sweaty once or twice but taking the windshirt off and undoing the fleece zip sorted it pretty quickly.

    SS base + very breathable mid layer + windshirt + warm jacket for evenings and stops if needed can't be beaten for versatility imho. Obviously you'll still need the rain jacket.
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  16. mathijs

    mathijs Backpacker

  17. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I found the full zip Litespeed easier to regulate temperature than the Featherlite
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  18. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    As i run hot, i usually follow a rule that anything i wear for walking has a full length zip. For stops and camps i'm happy to wear smocks.
  19. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

  20. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Section Hiker

    i'd think twice about the atom LT. I love mine as a windshirt but on the SW weekender on dartmoor recently, I found that mine became soaked under my shell jacket, the moisture didnt' transmit through and seemed to just stay within the jacket. It was sodden after half a day in fairly heavy rain and spent the rest of the weekend in the bottom of my bag. Fortunately I'd packed a merino jumper as a spare and that went under the shell instead.
  21. ColinHawke

    ColinHawke Ultralighter

    If you’re talking about the Arcteryx atom LT hoody then I find that surprising as I wear mine a fair amount in winter on Dartmoor and never get wet in it (under my Arc’teryx Alpha FT goretex). It’s pretty high on my list as one of the best pieces of outdoor clothing I have. I wonder where the difference lies? Was water getting in from the outside perhaps?
  22. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Section Hiker

    don't think the water was getting in, I had a buff on which was a bit damp but stopped water going further. I was wearing a new Alpkit waterproof on it's first outing, and it's supposed to be very breathable. Good to know you don't have the same issue with yours, I'll have to do some further testing.
  23. Imperial Dave

    Imperial Dave Section Hiker

    Windshirt is invaluable. Litespeed for me
  24. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    When we did the CWT, I used;

    Thin wool baselayer ; Devold Breeze
    Micro fleece
    Paramo Quito
    Beatons Midge jacket
    Wet pair (mountain) and dry pair( cushioned road) of trainers.
    Klatt Geres
    Go-Lite Reeds

    If I was doing it again, I'd take a proper hardshell and light windproof. I'd also take a full hoody baselayer to keep the worst of the midges off. I'd certainly take more than the 3 pairs of socks I took, but then it was a complete wadefest for lots of it. In May, I'd likely just take a headnet and also swap the microfleece for a synthetic belay style jacket.
  25. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Wouldn't work for me. Too binary.

    You can't always walk in a synth jacket unless it's quite cold. Apart from alpha type insulation they aren't that breathable either. So it's limiting. A microfleece is a key layer for our skinny frames. For 250g or less.

    We backpacked in Fisherfield and Assynt late last May into June. Weather was all over the place. We walked in anything from just baselayer to baselayer,+microfleece+synth jacket+waterproof. We were doing tops as well as CRT type walking. In camp we needed the synth every night/morning ( could have coped if just stayed in sleeping bag I suppose but bit limiting) .
    In low/coastal spots we usually needed midge repellent sometimes even the headnets, if it wasn't windy. Even in Ullapool, the loch front road was midgetastic.
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2018

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