Oldies but goldies

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by Fossil Bluff, Nov 10, 2018.

  1. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Trail Blazer

    For years I used a Saunders Satellite Plus. A Robert Saunders innovative design that was just superb... after something like 18 years of use it gave up the ghost amid my myriad collection of Hillebergs and MSRs. Despite modern designs looking far more sexy I stumped up and bought another satellite plus (used and old) to put alongside its modern stable-mates. I’ve used it ‘stripped out’ as a fly only shelter; it’s massive, spacious and takes some real punishment. Overall weight... I can’t remember, it’s not that important but probably around 2kg (fully decked out) and 1.2 kg as a shelter.

    I’m not sure that ‘some’ of our modern designs aren’t really just rebranding ‘the wheel’. Nor have they brought about significant changes proportionate to cost.

    Does anyone else think that old ***** can still be good *****? In moments of clarity I often think I’ve blown entirely too much disposable income on absolute twaddle-driven marketing silnyon.

    Just sayin’
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  2. tallest of pauls

    tallest of pauls Ultralighter

    Yeah i get it- some things are just right. I still wear the same buffalo every winter, it's 20 years old now, with a lowealpine mountain hat, 19 years old. I've tried alsorts of other combos clothing wise but revert back to that. I have a wardrobe full of nylon tat to prove it.

    l struggle to see the point with alpha fleeces or softshell whatever being the next best thing when a10quid 100wieght fleece with a montane windshirt is just as warm and more adaptable for summer backpacking.

    Alas I'm still a gear gimp though. :banghead:
  3. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Trail Blazer

    Yup, there’s another one right there, Hamish Hamilton’s Buffalo Mountain Shirt will outlast a nuclear winter! He also designed the Force 10 tent. There are a few ‘classics in the making’ amongst designs today, but it’s very difficult to identify a paradigm shift until you’ve passed it. My money would be on the Hilleberg Akto as a classic of the future, something that has excellent design qualities and is made of robust textiles.

    I have an 18 year old Lowe mountain cap somewhere and I have been upset lately because I can’t find it.

    Mind you, you don’t see Buffalo bags out there, a somewhat lumpen design. I just tried googling a picture of one but was confronted with an array of over the shoulder accessories made from the hide of some poor, unfortunate, animal.
  4. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Trail Blazer

  5. Imperial Dave

    Imperial Dave Section Hiker

    did the pipe come with the bag? :joyful:
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  6. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Trail Blazer

    Along with the beard, yes :bag:
  7. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    LMAO at buffalo bags...quality kit but you need an 80L bag to carry them. Hardly lite-trek when you've added the weight of the bag needed and the bags themselves are not exactly lite .
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  8. Taz38

    Taz38 Section Hiker

    Saunders tents: http://web.archive.org/web/20120118052552/http://www.robertsaunders.co.uk/pages/frame.html

    Aimed at '10-minute-walk-from-car-to-sit-round-fire-with-mates-drinking-beer-wild-campers' ;)
    (Which is okay in my books, done it plenty in my younger days)

    Somehow managed to buy a buffalo mountain shirt (again) :sorry: preloved obviously.
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  9. ralph

    ralph Backpacker

    It must be the Alpkit Pipedream bag.
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  10. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    :rolleyes: Gods teeth ..
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  11. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Trail Blazer

    I can remember that advert in the back of High Magazine.
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  12. Imperial Dave

    Imperial Dave Section Hiker

  13. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Trail Blazer

    Yes, I would imagine an Alpgit bag to be about the same weight.
  14. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    End of the day a tent is a bit of fabric that shelters you from the elements

    Differences as i see it are weight and useable space inside

    There are only so many ways to drape fabric over poles or hiking poles, so design wise i can't see how anything can be revolutionary
  15. Imperial Dave

    Imperial Dave Section Hiker

    I had a one man tent I bought at a Bristol tentshow. Cant remember the maker but it was called the Adventure one. Was a ridgeline design, had a cotton inner, telescopic poles, nylon cord for guylines. 2kg and absolutely bombproof
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  16. Taz38

    Taz38 Section Hiker

    First tent I bought 30 years ago from a local army & navy type shop was a "biker tent", a single pole hoop tent, silver with a mesh inner, all in one set up, weighed about 1kg, cost no idea but not expensive. Brilliant little tent that travelled a fair bit. Never seen one since.
  17. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Trail Blazer

    What happened to it?
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  18. Imperial Dave

    Imperial Dave Section Hiker

    the fly delaminated and the cotton inner went a bit manky. I kept the poles though :)
  19. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Trail Blazer

    Bombproof eh?

    :biggrin:
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  20. Imperial Dave

    Imperial Dave Section Hiker

    to be fair, it did last 35 years before it gave up the ghost.....
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  21. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Trail Blazer

  22. Imperial Dave

    Imperial Dave Section Hiker

    yup, fair play. RS was way ahead of his time and very innovative
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  23. Dave Vaughan

    Dave Vaughan Moderator Staff Member

    I have a Mk1 Vango Force 10 if that counts, its rather on the heavy side and bulky but as I remember (not pitched in many years) its was rather good in the wind..
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  24. Imperial Dave

    Imperial Dave Section Hiker

    good tent the Mk1 F10 - you could tell who was carrying those - slept well but bowed back :)
  25. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Trail Blazer


    Somehow we managed a 55mile ten tors event 33 years ago lugging a couple of those around, with the cotton fly.

    I think it’s an absolute classic, I’m sure many will agree, but now consigned to car camping.:thumbsup:
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