Pack News - a thread for new pack talk

Discussion in 'Packs & Accessories' started by murpharoo, Mar 14, 2015.

  1. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I'm sure we are all free to refer to any weight as ultralight we think works for us.

    For me, I think UL being under 10lb total is a standard I'm happy to use as a definition.
    So technically having a 9lb pack and everything else come in at 1lb would count, but I would struggle to describe a 9lb pack as UL. It shows the weakness of that definition for me. Moles definition when used in conjunction I think works better.

    But to my way if thinking an UL pack, to be UL should be appreciably lighter than a lightweight pack, which should be appreciably lighter than a pack, otherwise why the distinction?

    I think you can have an UL load with a 3lb pack, but the pack wouldn't be UL. The sub 2-300g packs I'd refer to as SUL.

    But I think we all do this for fun so whatever works for you is good.

    It's fun to see how light you can go, there is no harm in it, lots of us spend more time thinking about optimizing gear than using it.
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  2. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Nunatak is working on a new pack that might be of interest to those commenting on the PCT thread.
    Reddit discussion here.
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  3. tarptent

    tarptent Ultralighter

    The Nunatak Bears Ears is not an ultralight pack though Will...It weighs 815.4g...That's heavier than my pack. They then sent him a shoulder pack which has increased the weight further.
    I have put one of my DSLR's and a decent Nikon macro lens for sale on ebay now to hopefully get me enough money to get a Bonfus Iterus...Here's hoping.
  4. vaguehead

    vaguehead Trail Blazer

    Bear Ears is the name? Doesn't have solid side pockets either. Don't like it.

    I think dedicated bottle holders like it has (and some Decathlon packs) will become more popular. Or should. I hate twisting my arm around to get a drink and a bladder is too much hassle filling and cleaning.
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  5. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Never said it was, but horses for courses - I doubt you'll be using your Iterus with a bear cannister.
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  6. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Interesting; cans can (ho ho) be vexing so a separate carry space is a good idea (someone on BPL made an external iirc framed pack a 'bit' like this one).

    I carried my Bearikade (which is UL BTW :angelic:) upright in my Prophet - this worked well for me as food access was easy. But a can can (yes, again) be a pain to pack around - having an air frame probably helped with the carry for me.

    Mesh side pockets don't seem a great choice for bushwhacking - but I've only done minimal damage to mine in some hard off-trail travel (but rocky not shrubbery).
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  7. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    What are the official pack weight classifications?
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  8. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    The Vargo ExoTi sounds similar.
    It depends to some extent on the mesh. The sections of the Lycian Way around Kaş involve a lot of scraping through thorny brush; the mesh on the Osprey Exos 38 (older version) has many holes whereas there are none so far on the Talon 44. The mesh on the Bear Ears looks tough. And it looks as if its only going to be mesh on the front pocket but not the side pockets
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2021
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  9. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    Merely lightweight is quite acceptable too. ;)
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  10. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I see.
    The water bottle pockets would probably drive me nuts as they look like they bounce about.
    Would be great to try one - the weight on the hips and no load lifters things looks....different - to that I'd choose...

    It's not UL you know :bucktooth:
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  11. vaguehead

    vaguehead Trail Blazer

    I feel dirty mentioning Decathlon on here, the shame, but I may pick one of these up next winter:

    My current Exos 48 is a bit small for winter. The Decathlon has a water bottle holder. £70 for a big winter backpack that this YouTuber likes:
    1.9kg for 70 litres isn't bad either.

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  12. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    70 litres :jawdrop:
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  13. vaguehead

    vaguehead Trail Blazer

    Need space for the frying pan.
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  14. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Yes, I have my doubts about them. I guess they're necessary for those who want to access their water on the go as the bear can makes standard side water bottle pockets impossible. Personally, I only drink water when having a break so I'd probably just remove them - not that I'm considering this pack since I don't need to carry a bear can.
    Edit: It appears you can order it without the water bottle pocket and save $10.
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  15. vaguehead

    vaguehead Trail Blazer

    Surely these water bottle pockets don't bounce around. Because yes, it would be infuriating if they did.
  16. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    Not a pack video, but features Joey 2021 for those interested.

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  17. tarptent

    tarptent Ultralighter

    Sold my very under used Leigh dovetail jig today for more than I expected, and had enough to buy the Bonfus Iterus with plenty left over...So I went ahead and ordered one.
    What a faff trying to measure my torso length...I couldn't manage it on my own so had to ask a friend to help me...Got the usual "suits you sir" comment :D
    I was sure my torso length was between 60-62cm when I measured it myself, but when my friend measured it, it was only 56.5cm, or 57cm if you round it up, about 3-4 cm difference, not a major difference but it could make a difference in comfort over long hikes.
    One word of caution...The 265g they quote is without the waist belt, even though they supply the waist belt with it!
    So add the 35g the belt weighs on and it works out to weigh exactly 300g...This is still extremely light of course but not quite as light as I first thought.
    It's very much the same nasty sales trick Nitecore use when they claim their NU25 weighs 30g, because they don't count the weight of the head strap on, and now Bonfus don't count the weight of the waist strap, to sucker people like me in. :banghead:
    Anyway, including the postage it came to £161.
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2021
  18. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

  19. tarptent

    tarptent Ultralighter

  20. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Pack Weight:

    • Black X-Pac x21 rc – 320g
    • Black or White DCF 2.92 – 265g
    • Black DCF 5.0 – 330g
    Webbing belt adds 35g (included).

    Removable :whistling:

    Next someone will be complaining how it wasn't made clear the Petzl bindi will need recharging sooner than the NU25 or isn't as waterproof... Oranges & Lemons :D
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2021
  21. tarptent

    tarptent Ultralighter

    I'm not sore about it really, but when a manufacturer includes at item that you see as pretty much essential for their products use, that weight should be added on, not put separately. And just like you wouldn't use a head torch without a head strap, I would not use a rucksack without a waist belt, as I see it as an essential part of a pack for giving increased carrying comfort and stability, so to me, if it is included, then it's weight should be added to the pack or head torches weight respectively. Like virtually every other pack or head torch maker appears to do.
    The latter seem to have no issue including the weight of their waist belts or head straps to the weights of their packs or head torches, so to do otherwise is kind of disingenuous to me.
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2021
  22. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Your buying an ultralight pack... To carry an ultralight load... Hip belts are like walking boots... Better suited to heavy loads.
    Just like some headtorches... If it can clip to a helmet, chest strap on a pack etc. The headband isn't used...

    It clearly states the hip belt is removable..... As in its not needed unless your loading it to its recommended maximum load....

    Stick with've let your mind coax you into lightweight / ultralight.... Your kit is evolving and your mindset may fully catch up at some point.
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  23. Calvin

    Calvin Trail Blazer

    3f ul are prototyping an arc blast trampoline frame type pack. FB_IMG_1615485139086.jpg FB_IMG_1615467277194.jpg
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  24. vaguehead

    vaguehead Trail Blazer

    Very like the look of this.
  25. jeha

    jeha Trekker

    There was a little bit on Instagram a while ago: 38 liters, 760 g, temporary name "Tutor pro"
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