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Discussion in 'Sleeping Bags & Quilts' started by Ben, Aug 23, 2017.

  1. Ben

    Ben Trail Blazer

    So I'm on the look out for a quilt for summer use and to boost my wm ultralite in winter. I'm guessing I'd like it to be rated to 0c. I like the look of the ones that can fully open into a blanket. What's out there that fits the bill. Oh and to be as light as possible:rolleyes:
  2. Meadows

    Meadows Section Hiker

    Cumulus and PHD both do blankets.
  3. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Get a couple of meters of climashield apex 167 and 2m of lite dwr coated fabric.
    As tucas and a few others will do it for you for not too much too.
    Edit 4m!
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2017
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  4. Arne L.

    Arne L. Section Hiker

    Bespoke UL (https://bespokeultralight.com/) will do custom quilts, down or synthetic. Reasonable prices and great quality. UK based.

    But if you're handy with a sewing machine, making a Climashield Apex 167 quilt seems to be doable, as @Enzo stated.
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  5. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Second for Bespoke Ultralight.
    E.g. https://www.instagram.com/p/BX2iygynya3/
    A friend bought one recently. Made to his own specs. Really well built of decent materials and quality down. Bit of a wait though.

    I have a 167g Climashield xp quilt. I think 4degrees is its limit for me lightly clothed.

    I was using it at the weekend and it got to 6C and I was having to fiddle it right around me, and snuggle down to be comfortable. On an Exped syn7. ( It's nearly 7 years old though...)
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  6. JimH

    JimH Ultralighter

    I've a Climashield 100 Sestrals blanket from As Tucas, lightly clothed I've been near zero, but it helps that I'm a hot sleeper, 133/167 would probably be better for most folks.
  7. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    My myog is mostly 133, but the middle has a 1m wide second layer of 133 so 5 degree outer bits and -6 centre, comfy at -2. ~800g
  8. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    Gramxpert is also a good option for synthetic quilts. Keen prices, great build quality and a blindingly fast turnaround (my quilt was ordered on a Sunday and shipped out on the following Wednesday or Thursday). Mine's very light but it's only 67.

    BTW, where do you need a 0 rated quilt in the summer?
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  9. Arne L.

    Arne L. Section Hiker

    Had some nights near zero two weeks ago in the valleys around the Mont Blanc. Last year on the Haute Route there was frost on my shelter every single morning.

    So I take a 0 rated quilt wherever I go in summer... Pretty versatile IMO.

    About Climashield: I use my Sestrals Blanket, filled with 167 Apex, to 0 degrees with sleeping clothes and lower with a fleece and light down jacket.
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  10. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    I guess I have spent too long in the Middle-East. ;)
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  11. Jamess

    Jamess Section Hiker

    +1 for bespoke ultralight.

    I have an apex 133 summer/overquilt from Scotty for summer use and winter 'top up'.
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  12. JimH

    JimH Ultralighter

    I was chilly on a campsite in Cauterets two weeks ago, probably 0-5C, and that's only 900m or so up.
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  13. FOX160

    FOX160 Thru Hiker

    I've done Grizdale Forest in the Lakes one first week in August and we had to abort in our 5+ bags being
    useless in 0 minus conditions. We now carry Two bags in the van just in case.

    I am with Arne L and now looking at an 0 minus rated quilt our bag and just open it up if too warm.
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  14. Ben

    Ben Trail Blazer

    By the sounds of it then most people use climashield instead of down. Why's this? More water resistant?
  15. Arne L.

    Arne L. Section Hiker

    It's just a bit more 'hassle-free'. There's no down that can shift around (Apex is basically just a sheet of insulation), it dries pretty quick and it handles moisture better then a down bag.

    Cons are it's a bit heavier for the weight and it's not as compact as down. It's probably also not as durable, though I've read some reports about Climashield bags surviving tru-hikes without loss of loft or warmth, though that feeling is subjective.

    If I shove my Apex bag with slightly damp footbox in my pack in the morning, the footbox seems dry when I pack it out to dry around noon. Weird.

    I have no experience with 'water resistant down', though.
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  16. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

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  17. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    Besides fashion, your mention of boosting a winter down bag may have skewed some answers towards synthetics. The idea being that the quilt allows you to push the dew point outside your down bag and that a synthetic quilt will handle the moisture better than down.

    BTW I always understood bags described as summer season to mean down to about 10 degrees, three-season (or shoulder season) to around freezing and winter comfortably below freezing. Which bag to use depending of course on the expected temperature rather than the actual season.
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  18. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Don't think 'we' (- the folks on TL), have all gone over to synthetic quilts - from down bags. Some have, and because it's a 'new thing' are talking about it. Those sticking to their down bags are just not the ones doing the 'chattering' ATM.

    I've invested too much in my down bags, and the weight savings are too valuable to me so I'll be slow to change - I'd rather manage my behaviour re. damp insulation.

    Synthetic insulation does seem to have improved to such an extent that it can now challenge down in some circumstances. It maybe fashion, it maybe a trend - time will tell.
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  19. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I've never managed to get a bag or quilt wet enough that it affects performance, which seems to be the big driver behind this, I think until that happens I can't see me going down the synthetic route just yet.
    I've had a few in my basket but the extra weight and bulk keeps putting me off. I meant to have a look at JKMs at the Kirk Fell meet but completely forgot about it.
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  20. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    UK 3 season bags are generally -3 to-5degC comfort rated - c400g of quality goose down.

    I still reach for my down bags most often. Or my down quilt. The Climashield only gets 2 season use, and use it more for bivvy bagging/ summer tarping or non backpacking camping ( holiday camping or festivals).

    As I have reasonably light warm down bags, unless I do a long backpack ( months), I am unlikely to invest money (and time if MYOG) in a warmer quilt.
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  21. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    I think a lot of the attention synthetic quilts are getting at the moment is likely from the "super hikers" using them: john z, lint etc. In their case synthetic is best because they don't stop so never air their quilt. A week of wettish hiking with a down quilt and airing it for half an hour on a couple of dry mornings before you pack up and it doesn't lose any loft ime. Down is definitely more fiddly but is warmer for the weight, more packable and more durable.
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  22. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Is jon z using synthetic? Last I saw think he used a palisade? But my memories is.....
    Climashield is just massively easier and cheaper to make, warmer per inch of loft, not THAT much heavier (~30%) but it's the bulk that puts me off, probably twice the packed size for given rating in my experience. Not necessarily an issue, another 5l of pack capacity is probably only 20-30g in a lightweight fabric.
    I could be tempted by a sock of ~ 100g/m apex to stick my down quilt into
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  23. JimH

    JimH Ultralighter

    Not sure you'd even need 5l of extra pack capacity for that, mine fits in the bottom half of a 4l Alpkit dry bag when it's squished a bit (I probably shouldn't tell @Marco A. Sánchez about this "feature" though), so approx 2l.
  24. Jamess

    Jamess Section Hiker

    Is synthetic a 'trend?'. I'd say no.

    As a synthetic quilt user id say bulk when packed is the downside.

    There is a weight penalty if you an ultimate gram weanie, but the weight difference isn't huge.

    If you just do overnighters or only backpack in dry environments go with down. Imho if I spend several nights in wet conditions in a down bag and can't air it properly during the day the bag is definitely damp feeling and less efficient.

    Imo synthetic not only retains it's performance better when wet, it also seems to absorb/retain less moisture thereby staying dryer longer.

    Cleaning/washing a climax bag is also easier than down.

    For sustained damp conditions go synthetic. Otherwise stick with down until synthetic improves further.
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  25. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I disagree; after (let's say) 1,500 nights under down in all sorts of conditions I've had no real issues (yet)...
    HYOH etc etc...
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