Scarp 1 or Strat 1 for Two persons

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by FOX160, Dec 6, 2015.

  1. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    As a Scarp owner, I think it's a useful tweak, adding to the flexibility of the Scarp 1. The specs suggest no difference in weight.

    The Scarp 2 is absolutely huge. A Scarp 1.5 would be an interesting option for two people.
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  2. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    I can't see how it can weigh the same when they've used the same materials but added more of it.

    For me i can't see any point in it when the scarp2 is only 250g heavier and the fly footprint is only 20cm smaller on each side on the scarp1
  3. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    I suspect the extra amount of material is quite modest. Not an essential change but useful if you want to use it occasionally as a two person tent or with a child or dog. Mirrors a similar feature on the Moment DW.

    I'd like a Scarp with the geometry changed so it could use two trekking poles rather than a hoop.
  4. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I could go for that. I get the impression that Henry doesn't like his tents to need a lot of pegs, though, in which case it might not work.
  5. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    A Notch 2? Possibly very similar to a Drift 2...
  6. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Or Stratospire 2 :D
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  7. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    It would only require eight pegs.

    The Notch has a mesh roof on the inner, which I don't like.

    I really like the pitch lock end of the Scarp. More solid than the Stratospire.

    I guess there's enough variation in the Tarptent catalogue, so I guess it's unlikely.
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  8. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I'm with Scarp 1 owner/users Robin/El and totally disagree with Gixer (who as far as I know doesn't own/use a Scarp 1 or 2?).

    If we hadn't got the Drift2, I'd get the upgrade like a shot. Still tempted anyway.
    The Scarp 1 inner for 2 folks is a damn good idea IMO. Small weight increase is a small payment for the wriggle room.

    We have actually used the Scarp 1 for 2's up several times.
    It's quite doable for weekends. Even coped in a nasty allnight hoolie in the Lakes, and cooked dinner and breakfast with the outer closed down.

    For our use, the upgrade is ideal - we both use the tent as individuals and occasionally use 2's up. Ours gets used for all sorts.

    Also, don't forget that it's not just backpackers who might use a tent - cycle tourists too? No trek poles, and weight important but not quite

    From what I've seen, the Scarp 2 is getting to the point where the main roof panel is quite wide and flap/ inner separation issues become more significant in bad weather unless the crossing poles are used. so...

    I don't like the crossing poles much and apart from setting up, have never used mine. Maybe useful in snow, but otherwise extra weight.
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  9. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    I think the Scarp 2 is too big (wide). The roof panel is huge. As you point out it, really needs the crossing poles.
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  10. stormin'

    stormin' Section Hiker

    Then you would have a Notch(nearly).
  11. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    The difference is you'd have a square end with more room, which I like on the Scarp. I suspect Henry feels he's got enough variety in his catalogue. The Scarp is superb. The only downside is the weight is a bit higher than some might want. Replacing the hoop with trekking poles would be one way of achieving a lower weight.
  12. stormin'

    stormin' Section Hiker

    I think Henry does a solid inner for the Notch
  13. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I agree. I was tempted by the Notch until I lay down inside one. Just a little too narrow at the ends for my liking. I guess the Strat 1 is the alternative, which gives good space with fewer end poles than a Scarp type end would use.
  14. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    The Notch solid inner has a mesh roof last time I looked.
  15. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    I like the look of the Stratospire 1. It's a lot more solid than it appears. I think that's why Henry wouldn't do a Scarp variant.
  16. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    The Notch has a mesh roof; I've used mine extensively and had no issues with it - -few drops of condensation through on occasion.
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  17. hshires

    hshires Trekker

    Hi All,

    Franco pointed me to this forum and I thought I would post a few comments about Scarps and StatoSpires.

    First off, regarding the Scarp 1, my goal was to make that model better, with almost no ( ~ 30g) weight penalty, and push the change out to as many people as possible. The new interior is dramatically larger and makes it now feasible to sleep two or just one with a lot more space for internal gear. The interiors--both solid and mesh--are fully compatible with all the flysheets dating back to 2010 although you will need a new arch strap that supports the sliding feature. Why a Scarp with wider interior rather than a Scarp 2? The answer is that the Scarp 1 is a stronger tent and fairs much better without crossing pole in high winds than does the Scarp 2. The Scarp 2 can certainly be made stronger with crossing poles but then the weight difference (and setup time /hassle) becomes much more pronounced. We will make the new interiors (including new arch strap) available on the website in the coming weeks for anyone with a 2010 or later Scarp 1 who wants to upgrade. We will also have a stock of the new 9mm poles.

    Regarding the StratoSpire series, the StratoSpire 1 is a very strong design (and probably my personal favorite) and a much lighter alternative to the Scarp 1 if you're a trekking pole user. It can't have the wider interior we're now offering for the Scarp 1 due to the width restriction imposed by the vertical poles but it has very large vestibules and is fully snow load capable without any extra poles. The StratoSpire 2 is also very strong though, like the comparison to the Scarp 2, not quite as strong as the StratoSpire 1 given the taller profile and larger unsupported panels.

    Lastly, one quick comment about the Notch design is that a two-person version simply isn't feasible given the design constraints of the strut supported ends -- not possible to widen the ends to fit two without segmenting the poles and doing that increases weight and complexity to the point where the StratoSpire 2 is just better anyway.

    Feel free to post questions here or to me at ""


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  18. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Ed, you have/had - a Notch, a Scarp, and a Strat 2. - What are your thoughts ??
  19. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    I'm sure most of the time it's not an issue but my preference would be solid.
  20. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I have more money than sense?

    And... not really used the Scarp since I got the Notch as the Notch is plenty big enough for my meagre kit. The Strat is untested - I've (proverbially) put it up in the garden (well, local park) and it impresses with its's also rather BIG.
  21. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    I was a bit sceptical about the Stratospire but having seen it in action, I'm impressed by its solidity. The first time I saw it, it was really badly pitched which coloured my perceptions!

    I think the Scarp 1 is an excellent tent and the new inner makes it even better IMO. I replaced the arch pole with a stronger Marmot one, so I can see why you've gone the same route. Any reason you haven't changed the roof vents to be like the Moment DW?
  22. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

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  23. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Thanks Henry.
    Nice to see you here, prepared to engage.

    You have confirmed my own thoughts about the 1vs 2 size on both Scarp and Strats.

    The Strat is a great innovative design.

    had only one real insurmountable issue with my Scarp - easily snagging zip covers on the outer if not ultracareful. To the point where I have had to use brute force to unsnag. mine is the older 2010 version. the newer Tarptents I have seen look like they use a different silnylon - similar to that which MLD use. I wonder if this is less of an issue now?
  24. hshires

    hshires Trekker

    [QUOTE="..Any reason you haven't changed the roof vents to be like the Moment DW?[/QUOTE]

    Ran out of time this fall to do much more with product design -- had to finish the website redo -- but eventually (2017?) there will more changes coming to the Scarp 1 fly. The Moment DW vents are better in some ways but I would like to think that even that design can be improved.
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  25. hshires

    hshires Trekker

    Not sure, quite honestly. I remember making a change/widening to the zipper cover at some point but I've lost track of when that was.

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