Sleeping Bag Recomendations

Discussion in 'Sleeping Bags & Quilts' started by Ray Smith, Oct 25, 2015.

  1. Ray Smith

    Ray Smith Summit Camper

    Looking to get a new sleeping back this week but head is spinning on what to go for.

    Have saved up my pocket money to about £450 and looking for a bag that I can more or less use all year.

    Looking at the PHD Hispar 400 and Mountain Equipment Lightline SL.

    Currently using a Zero rated bag from Decathalon and Alpkit inflatable mat. Spent a fairly uncomfortable night in Glencoe last weekend with the tent covered in light frost. Even had my down jacket on in bag and was feeling the cold. Maybe its an age thing,:).

    Really need a better mat as well. Seem to suffer from sore hips and a lot of tossing and turning. Wonder if it is the cold coming through the mat affecting my hips more than anything.

    Any advice on a good multi season bag for a cold sleeper would be appreciated.
  2. Munro277

    Munro277 Thru Hiker

    I put a link up on other thread too a pretty descent bag under your budget. Be enough left for a down Matt too !
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  3. ADz

    ADz Thru Hiker

    Cumulus Panyam 600 is awesome. At £215 delivered the specs are unbeatable for the price. 850 fill power, Comfort of -5, limit of -13, weights 1kg and packs down great.
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  4. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    An all-year bag is a nice idea. But it does not really play IME.

    Three season (and three-season warm i.e. rated -7 for me) and then a winter bag rated to minus so much I won't feel cold.

    Combos work as well, others will chime in; I just did not go that route.
  5. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    All year?

    Like you wear the same amount of clothing all year round?

    I think you are probably correct about the mat though. They are just as variable as different weight bags for comfort in the cold IME



    I use 3 (well 4 really)different bags/quilts

    quilt in summer May- Sept - 270g down 540g total
    quilt for bivvying April - Oct- synthetic 800g total
    bag for 3 seasons 400g down 750g total comfort -3C
    bag for winter 1150g total not sure how much down, but it's limit is -10C
  6. EM - Ross

    EM - Ross Thru Hiker

    I used to manage with one bag year around before I got more disposable income & bought into (literally) the notion of a summer & a winter bag. A bag (or quilt) for every eventuality does work very well. Widen that approach to all your gear & you'll likely need a storeroom to rival the Outward Bound Centre's.

    It is possible to get by with one bag. It's a system I've gone back to. I was away last weekend too & recorded -4 in the morning. Dunno how cold it was at night. I think my bag's rated down to -3 but I was warm with a silk liner (adds next to nowt) & my baselayer top (I rarely have the top of the bag zipped up & usually have my arms out. Once I woke up I added my down top. If I'd been expecting colder weather I'd have taken long johns & worn them & maybe a microfleece. Colder still I'll wear my down top. If I think it's going to be colder still I'll take down trouser & boots.

    I've simplified across the board now although retain some scope with rucsacs as my biggiest packs too old to sell & I wouldn't part with it anyway. So mostly same kit all year round & add some insulation & warmer gloves etc in winter.

    I too suffer with my hip from time to time, especially on harder ground when I use a 4 season closed cell foam mat. I think it's partly age but mostly too much weight in that body area. I certainly don't think it's cold.
  7. Munro277

    Munro277 Thru Hiker

    I have two bags too,I use a western mounteering Summerlite 590g for most of the yr down to the -2-3c ..it can be pushed further easily with clothing. That's sleeping in a synmat ul7 ..when I know it will be into the minuses I use an old Alpkit Pipedream 600 and ii ff I know I'll be camping on snow or frozen turf I use the Exped down Matt ul ...
  8. Baldy

    Baldy Thru Hiker

    I'd go for two bags.
    Cumulus Ultralight 350
    Cumulus Panyam 600 or MT 650.
  9. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    The same as others I don't think a one size fits all solution works, using a -9C down bag in summer will soon lead to degradation of the fill (sweat), increased cleaning (£40-50 a time) & IMO shorter life; as well as not being the most weight optimum. Much better to work out Sleep Systems that cover the different seasons & your own temperature rating.

    I use:
    Cumulus 250 Quilt + Neoair (short) & 1/2 CCF (feet) for Summer
    Alpkit PD400 + Exped Synmat UL for shoulder.
    Cumulus Panyam 600 + Exped Synmat UL with 1/2 CCF (torso) for winter.
    Plus I'll extend the rating by wearing clothing (different weight base layers, fleece, down jacket, etc) when necessary.

    The other thing you should consider is the fit e.g I wouldn't recommend the Cumulus Panyam if your 6'-6" & 20 stone

    A modular system may be worth considering e.g. a 300-400g down (850+) bag + a Primaloft overbag/ quilt
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2015
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  10. EM - Ross

    EM - Ross Thru Hiker

    Unless you are an extremely cold sleeper I think you need to be a complete plank to take a -9c bag for summer use. My -3c bag with full length zip makes a reasonable not overwarm quilt in the summer & I'd be in a silk liner. Weight-wise it compares favourably to most summer bags.

    Not being the most weight optimum? One of the reasons I did it was that it actually worked out about the same but with added versatilty

    One sleeping bag for year around use is not a 'one size fits all solution' - it's part of a 'Sleep Systems that cover the different seasons & your own temperature rating.'

    Because you also do this:
    In my case - base layers up to full down clothing depending on season.

    I'd be interested to hear from those who've used the same system as me unsuccessfully & why it failed.

    I already know the different bag for each season works - hard to fail. Just don't think it's necessary.
  11. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I've used the same system and it is a good one if you can get on with sleeping in clothes - v.light base only is my preference.
  12. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    Same here, it works but Ive slept in Prism pants and a down jacket, found it uncomfortable. Don't mind putting on a light down jacket if I get cold through the night ( usually drape it over the bag) but a more comfortable sleep for me is taking a bag to suit the conditions, only add clothes if I need to.
  13. EM - Ross

    EM - Ross Thru Hiker

    Interesting. I have no problem sleeping in the clothes I stand up in & have done many times. Down boots, trews & smock is luxury.
  14. Hedley Heap

    Hedley Heap Section Hiker

    Is that half way through putting your tent up?
  15. EM - Ross

    EM - Ross Thru Hiker

    Certainly before I've fully unpacked!
  16. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    I've been using the same bag year round (for most UK in temps warmer than around -5c) for years now. A 200g fill Montbell super stretch which is a +3c bag. I'm a very warm sleeper and this just won't work for most.

    This gets supplemented with clothing to sleep in, which I always do. When it's cold enough to take warm clothing, I like to use it at night to sleep in too.
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  17. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    Imagine if you actually slept in/under it
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  18. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    :roflmao: That's a fair point dude.
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  19. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    The trousers I've been walking in all day are often covered in good old 'Scottish bog' - I'd rather keep that out of my expensive down SB - so I always have alternative leg wear for sleeping - which is chosen according to expected temps etc. The top half is usually less of an issue re. bog as I try to walk 'standing up' too ;).

    I sleep cold (-something to do with being female :() so down jacket + trews + boots are essential as temps approach zero.
  20. EM - Ross

    EM - Ross Thru Hiker

    Me too - unless you have a Buffalo bag why would you do owt else - & even then? My statement applies mostly to non-backpacking situations although as Hedley alluded too I'm well known for having several hours kip as soon as I've got my tent up, lying on my kip mat, head on my rucsac fully dressed - wet or dry. Dried a lot of clothes that way! Dinner & sleeping bag come later!
  21. suggdozer

    suggdozer Section Hiker

    I`m a cold sleeper too so Ive just purchased a western mountaineering versalite bag after much deliberation , rated at -12 and slept in zero temps three nights in Scotland high and low level this bag is the dogs ******** IMHO , ive slept in colder temps in My Rab neutrino 400 but have had cold spot issues with that but just stuff warm clothing in the cold spots , when needed the neutrino also doubles as a top quilt too but the WM will be the bag for colder temps now.
  22. Davy

    Davy Thru Hiker

    Hey Ray what did you get?

    I'm looking to treat myself to a Cumulus Panyam 450 once I've got the current project off my screen!

    I'm a side sleeper/ wriggler - anyone any thoughts on the independently filled top and bottom exposing the thinner base during the night , I can't say I've noticed anything on my current bag, but it is a generous cut and I rarely sleep with the hood up so the bag doesn't tend to rotate when I do.

    TIA

    Ade
  23. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I have the previous iteration of the Cumulus Panyam 450 - yes, I do notice if the bottom of the bag is upperwards - I get a cooler area.
  24. Davy

    Davy Thru Hiker

    Thanks for replying.

    Is this a case of half wake up, shuffle a bit to get everything back where it should be and doze off again or is it a major pain?
  25. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I've the Panyam 600 which has same style of fill, can't say I've had any issues. Side sleeper so never have the hood closed just wear a hat.

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