Working on my lightweight gear

Discussion in 'Kit Lists' started by Kit McCallion, Sep 10, 2016.

  1. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Personally i can't get on with windproofs, don't really see the point.
    The 3 or 4 i've tried just make me sweat, end up feeling like a boil in the bag chicken.

    I find a fleece pullover to be more useful, the fact that it lets a bit of a breeze through is a positive i recon as that breeze cools me down a bit.

    A windproof offers hardly any insulation, so if you expect colder weather you usually take a fleece anyways, plus it's England so a waterproof jacket is usually in your rucksack as well.

    I always feel more like a juggler than a hiker when i'm choosing between a windproof, fleece and waterproof.

    Only timer i find a windproof useful is when i'm mountain biking.
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  2. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Some windproof fabrics are less breathable (I.e. more windproof - actual figures measured as CFM in US system - see Richard Niselys work on Backpacking light) than others - depends on the construction -. Material, weave tightness and calendaring etc. E.g. Pertex quantum is less breathable than classic Pertex, which is less breathable than Paramo windproof. Some manufacturers change fabric with different versions of the same model ( e.g. older patagonia houdinis are measured to be far more breathable than more recent models.)

    Also, a windproof is chosen ( usually outer) layer in a bespoke layering system. If it's too hot and sweaty, then the layers are wrong for the situation - inc the particular windshirt?

    I rarely wear a windshirt on the move in summer UK unless cool, except as a warm up layer like Craig describes.

    But at 15degrees downwards. I find them an invaluable piece of my kit. I choose and mix my layers for my own comfort.

    E.g. I often wear a windshirt just over a baselayer, and then to save faff, if just a little bit cold, might put a fleece over the top occasionally. ( so windproof sometimes becomes a midlayer).

    @gixer have you tried pertex equilibrium as a standalone windproof layer? Not as windproof as many. But much more breathable, and wicks brilliantly. Great under waterproofs too. I have an old Montane jacket made of it.
    Heavier though, but easier to wear permanently in many cases - e.g on my TGOs I rarely needed to take it off.
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2016
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  3. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    No idea mate.

    I've tried the usual suspect (Montane featherlite) and some of my cycling windproofs for hiking, problem is i tend to walk like a furnace on legs, especially if i'm going uphill, so even around 3c with a windproof and a baselayer i tend to boil-in-the-bag.

    I end up upzipping the front (which negates the windproofing), but still end up with sweaty arms and back.

    I find that if i wear a thin fleece i'm warm enough, but with the wind cutting through the fabric it helps me stop boiling-in-the-bag.
  4. Tartanferret

    Tartanferret Thru Hiker

  5. Tartanferret

    Tartanferret Thru Hiker

    Got both of those mate plus a few Montane.

    Think the Arcteryx cost me £100
    And the Arktis cost me a quid from the car boot.

    Thats mad if you could have a hundred windshirts for the price of one lol
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  6. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I wonder if gixer has hit on something here. I too put out a lot of heat when walking (sweat like a pig is the expression that comes to mind) even when my wife is suffering from the cold. She uses a windproof a lot, me almost never. I would sooner reach for a lightweight fleece, and usually only use a windproof when resting in cold, windy conditions, for which I may as well use my waterproof. My wife's windproof comes on every trip, mine only rarely.
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  7. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    He's reiterated the fact that we run at different temperatures....
  8. Kit McCallion

    Kit McCallion Trail Blazer

    Thanks all for the advice and opinions on my FAK. Made up a new one based on my likely needs.


    Zinc oxide tape
    2x blister plasters
    4x finger plasters
    2x large plasters
    2x alcohol wipes
    2x loperamide
    Tick mirror
    6x chlorine tablets (my one concession to the 'just in case' mentality)
    Baggie of ibuprofen and paracetamol
    (tweezers in my SAK)

    Total: 58g
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2016
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  9. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    None on day walks.
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  10. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    How nice is that, i didn't realise ticks cared that much about their appearance though :bag:

    Recon that FAK makes a lot more sense now Kit.

    It took me a fair while before i started loosing weight from my FAK, glad i have though
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  11. Graham

    Graham Thru Hiker

    I put a 1cm section of Lypsyl in a small ziplock. Keeps fine. Major weight saving :laugh:
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  12. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Such largesse...I carry balm in a 2ml snaptop plastic pot ;)
  13. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

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  14. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    I'm partial to the Spyderco Ladybug. Survivalists will bemoan it's lack of batonning or bear-fending ability but it does everything a hiker needs: opening food packets, sorting out the sausage and cheese and slicing through the odd bit of cordage. Handles well and has a foolproof lock (so technically illegal in the UK I guess). The smaller, all-steel, non-locking Minibug does pretty much the same thing for the same weight of 18g.
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  15. Kit McCallion

    Kit McCallion Trail Blazer

    I do like the look of the leatherman, all the tools I need I reckon. On balance I probably need to upgrade my clothes more than anything. I've been on a bit of fitness kick this year so the majority of my outdoors clothes are now way to big. Which is a nice, but somewhat expensive, problem to have.

    On that thought can anyone recommend a cheapish pair of trail shoes to try?
    I've always worn big high ankle leather boots to help protect an old ankle injury, but now I've lost some weight from myself and my gear I think I should give them a try.
  16. Tartanferret

    Tartanferret Thru Hiker

    The Speedcross copies off Ali express seem ok to me so far, a few people have sizing issues with them. Try the proper ones on in G.O. And take a note of the size
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  17. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    You can usually find Merrel Moab Ventilator's for around £45; not a bad shoe for the price though not as free draining as some. Best to do some shopping around before spending ££'s & finding something that fits well.
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  18. Kit McCallion

    Kit McCallion Trail Blazer

    Ah yeah I remember @ADz talking about these. I'll check them out, cheers.

    As it happens I'm wearing MOAB ventilators right now, I just use them as trainers. Hadn't considered they'd be much good for any technical hiking, most of the trail shoes I see have great big lugs.
  19. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I've used extensively in the Cairgorms as well as the GR11 & HRP.
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  20. Kit McCallion

    Kit McCallion Trail Blazer

    Well that's great, thanks. Saved me a few quid :D.
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  21. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

    Genuine speedcross good. Fake speedcross very bad.
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  22. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

  23. ADz

    ADz Thru Hiker

    Paul and Jon have them and said they're quite decent? I have a pair but have never been able to wear them as they're far too narrow for me, even though I got a size up.
  24. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

    Yeah I read that. Assume there must be different versions of the fakes as mine were awful. Looked good out of the box but went in the bin after one overnight trip, only approx 45km. They were falling apart everywhere, toe rubbers peeling, holes in them, one lace snapped.... Worse than that they rubbed and ripped my feet to pieces. Not had a single blister with genuine pairs
  25. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    Never take new shoes hiking - Ancient Chinese proverb...

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