I give up on a down jacket mid layer...

Charlie83

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Lamont-Cranston said:
Sounds like excessive warmth not an issue so-Chucking out a there a Highly breathable windshirt (Fauxdini -Kor Preshell) over a Patagonia R1 over a Rab Pulse Hoody? Surely that would have you warm and that lot with the windshirt as part of your mid layer you'd be laughing?
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I've been wearing the Patagonia R1 hoody the last twice I've been out, a week ago in -3 ish and yesterday, probably +5 ish, freezing day it was fantastic with nothing underneath, sunday I was over heating (again nothing underneath), the joy of the big zip though, I finished with more flesh on show than a private eyes go go dancer.
 
Odd Man

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Charlie83 said:
I've been wearing the Patagonia R1 hoody the last twice I've been out, a week ago in -3 ish and yesterday, probably +5 ish, freezing day it was fantastic with nothing underneath, sunday I was over heating (again nothing underneath), the joy of the big zip though, I finished with more flesh on show than a private eyes go go dancer.
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Yep, I have the full zip. Genius for temp management as you say. But if the Foxster is cold maybe even go the hooded number.
 
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Foxster

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Think I'll try going a bit more trad and get a warm fleece.

My lad loves his UL gear, with a base weight heading into the negative numbers now, but he absolutely swears by his Fjallraven wooly jumper. He wears it nearly year around and his girlfriend pinches it to wear when he takes it off. In even fairly miserable conditions this weekend he was wearing just a cling-film base, a scrappy OMM shell and his trusty Fjallraven jumper. So I'm going to give a Fjallraven fleece a try, maybe a Buck or Sten.

If nothing else, it should at least last a while.
 
Charlie83

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Mine is the hooded pullover, 3/4 zip version
https://www.trailspace.com/gear/patagonia/r1-hoody/

Lempo said:
Like this one which is now almost half off?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/PATAGONIA-TechFace-Hoody-Mens-Dolomite/dp/B077R9WTL3/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Patagonia+Men's+R1®+TechFace+Hoody&qid=1578347961&sr=8-2&th=1&psc=1
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Lamont-Cranston said:
Yep, I have the full zip. Genius for temp management as you say. But if the Foxster is cold maybe even go the hooded number.
Just bought two of these-wearing one now very nice to beat the hell out of.
https://decathlon.com.au/products/mh-20-mens-hiking-fleece-138705?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8u6_m_vv5gIVQpKPCh3JsQ49EAQYASABEgLcHvD_BwE
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R1 or equivalent with a T shirt/thin baselayer like a Patagonia Capilene would be roasting under a shell for me, not my wife, she would probably still want a down layer on top, cold hearted I say :D
 
Rog Tallbloke

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The only down midlayer I entertain is a light gilet under my shirt if it's properly cold. it takes up the gap between baselayer and shirt and makes for a snug torso. No hood, no sleeves to get damp, and body heat drives any moisture out through the shirt, keeping the gilet dry for night-time double duty. If back has got a bit damp with perspiration under the rucksack during the day, it dries on me while I sleep.
 
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cathyjc

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Foxster said:
Think I'll try going a bit more trad and get a warm fleece.

My lad loves his UL gear, with a base weight heading into the negative numbers now, but he absolutely swears by his Fjallraven wooly jumper. He wears it nearly year around and his girlfriend pinches it to wear when he takes it off. In even fairly miserable conditions this weekend he was wearing just a cling-film base, a scrappy OMM shell and his trusty Fjallraven jumper. So I'm going to give a Fjallraven fleece a try, maybe a Buck or Sten.

If nothing else, it should at least last a while.
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Yup, fleece or wooly pully over a base layer.
I note that Extreme are selling 'fleece' with a % of wool - so you could have a bit of both in one item :).
Save your down jacket for camp and other stationary interludes.
 
dovidola

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I can't get my head around carrying two warm jackets - one for outdoor use and another for tent use.
I do like my Decathlon down jacket worn as part of a sleep system, and I haven't got it wet outdoors yet - perhaps I'll change my mind if/when I do!
I was going to buy a warmer one for colder use, but reading the above is making me think again - are others finding their down tops get wet as a result of ingress, trapped perspiration, condensation in damp air, or what?
 
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Rog Tallbloke

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Well my seriously warm down jacket is a properly baffled Mountain Hardwear item of 550g. It comes out of the pack for lunchstop on cold DRY days. but otherwise is reserved for evening wear and to supplement the quilt at night. Too hot to walk in even on subzero days.
 
Odd Man

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Rog Tallbloke said:
Well my seriously warm down jacket is a properly baffled Mountain Hardwear item of 550g. It comes out of the pack for lunchstop on cold DRY days. but otherwise is reserved for evening wear and to supplement the quilt at night. Too hot to walk in even on subzero days.
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Ghost Whisperer?
 
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Charlie83 said:
Mine is the hooded pullover, 3/4 zip version
https://www.trailspace.com/gear/patagonia/r1-hoody/





R1 or equivalent with a T shirt/thin baselayer like a Patagonia Capilene would be roasting under a shell for me, not my wife, she would probably still want a down layer on top, cold hearted I say :D
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It was the go-go dancing that fooled me.;)
Sold my R1 hoody-just too hot. Couldn't find a way to wear it without steaming up like a baked spatchcock. My full zip sits in the cupboard-not been worn for two years-worn about three times-want to buy it? 75 squids in Large. Perfect nick!
 
EM-Chiseller

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edh said:
Really, you don't need the latest Alphadalpha... Just look at Chisellers sales pages...
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LOL
The only alphas I've sold are the ones that aren't alpha dalpha :D due to what I think are bad designs/mismatched materials... Or silly things like the cuffs being too thick (again in the wrong material) Eg. The Falketind 60 jacket. Or due to badly fitting for me. If it's not alpha direct/raw and a garment is too lose ( marmot isotherm full zip) , or too heavy with limited use (OR Ascendant) then I've found it doesn't do what it should... I know what it can and can't do for me and possibly others through spending ridiculous amounts of money and wearing enough to be confident...
I may or may not still have... 6 different alphadalpha jackets and one pair of pants... One has been with me at least 3 years now ( Rab Alpha Flux) and the others I've had for a good while (props to the Norrona Loften Raw) and one I couldn't be without (Macpac Nitro)..... I can feel a long post coming on in the Alpha Kool Aid or its own thread :writing:
 
Meadows

Meadows

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What type of jacket/warmth are you wanting to replace?
Is it the only insulated piece you take ie for being active and or around camp?
What temp/season will you be using it?
 
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benp1

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I've sold all of my down jackets, I only use synthetic jackets now. I still have a couple of down vests though, though still have more synthetic vests

My reason is that I don't have to worry about them getting wet, I use them for bikepacking, wild camping and general hiking. My main two jackets are a Berghaus Hypertherm and a Berghaus Capucin, former for 2/3 season use, latter for when it's cold. I can wear them as belay style jackets without anything to worry about. Have used the Capucin in all sorts of conditions (from the Arctic and the Alps through the UK hills/mountains)

Example - was on Skiddaw with my daughter last week in atrocious conditions, she was freezing. I put my jacket on her to keep her warm (over her fleece, waterproof and insulated jackets). It got soaked through but kept her warm and then dried off that night so I could use it on Helvellyn the next day

I use fleece on all my trips on foot, from alpha and 100wt fleece to powerdry and polartec thermal pro. Don't use it on the bike though
 
TinTin

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Lamont-Cranston said:
High end? Get a nice light cheap fleece, quarter zip for venting and try it first. Most end up getting fleeces way too heavy then scale back for their activity level to fine tune. Won't cost you much this way.
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Spend £10 on one of these:
https://www.decathlon.co.uk/m-fleece-mh500-khaki-id_8505186.html

And £90 (if you shop around) on one of these:
https://theomm.com/product/rotor-vest/

Total under 350g and you'll be covered for most situations. Keep your down jacket for camp and long stops (if you like to have one).

I recon most people out walking wear far too many layers when active. When we go out for a trail run in shorts and a T shirt we'll see walkers in full shell with long gaiters and I guess a base layer and fleece. I recon many of us when out walking are too slow to stop and take a layer off especially when going up hill. We'd all find that our shell layer "breathes" better if we had the right amount of insulation under it. Just my 2ps worth.
 
Shewie

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Walking pace can mean those who dilly dally are likely to be less warm generally, hence the extra layers.

Since I had my thyroid removed I feel the cold a lot more now than I ever did, I’m guilty of setting off with too many layers and have to strip off half way up the first climb quite often.
 
Gordon

Gordon

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PhilHo said:
Spend £10 on one of these:
https://www.decathlon.co.uk/m-fleece-mh500-khaki-id_8505186.html

And £90 (if you shop around) on one of these:
https://theomm.com/product/rotor-vest/

Total under 350g and you'll be covered for most situations. Keep your down jacket for camp and long stops (if you like to have one).

I recon most people out walking wear far too many layers when active. When we go out for a trail run in shorts and a T shirt we'll see walkers in full shell with long gaiters and I guess a base layer and fleece. I recon many of us when out walking are too slow to stop and take a layer off especially when going up hill. We'd all find that our shell layer "breathes" better if we had the right amount of insulation under it. Just my 2ps worth.
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Fully agree Phil - people wearing too many layers.

I never wear a fleece when backpacking - ever.

My standard backpacking wear, for years, has been a L/S base, Driclime, or similar, Vest, Windshirt and then Waterproof if it's raining, or when I have a dry break. Keep moving if it's too wet/cold.

Down jacket/pullover for camp - only.

My 2ps worth too....:)
 
TinTin

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Shewie said:
Walking pace can mean those who dilly dally are likely to be less warm generally, hence the extra layers.

Since I had my thyroid removed I feel the cold a lot more now than I ever did, I’m guilty of setting off with too many layers and have to strip off half way up the first climb quite often.
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I think that is good though. I'm as guilty as any when hiking of wearing too many layers when I start off and then leaving it too late before striping a layer off. I recon the faff of taking off your bag, changing layers and then putting you pack back on is too much of an disincentive for many of us and so we carry on hot and uncomfortable and feeling tired early. One of my New Year's resolutions is not dress for stood still when I'm setting off walking and to stop early and take off layers if I'm too warm. I'm pretty much fully warmed up after about a mile anyway so even if its cold I'm only feeling it for a very short time.

We all belly ache on here about pack weight. The lower the pack weight the easier it is to carry allowing you to cover more distance and climb steeper hills in less time, in relative comfort. I reckon the wearing too many layers makes me too hot, tire quicker, slow down, cover less distance and make myself uncomfortable. Saving 1000g off my pack weight would cost me well in excess of £500, getting my layers right is free.
 
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Enzo

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I'm definitely getting attached to my nitro. Teamed with an ul down down jacket should be good to decently low temps. I'm still fond of my allez for wet/cold temps, even under a nitro.
 
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