Alpkit have some new ultralight tents ready for pre-orders

[Alf Outdoors]

What stove do you use?

Depends...I either take the 26g BRS3000T or the 14g Esbit (now replaced with the 14g Lixada version). My Titanium foil windshield weighs 3g.

 

[Alf Outdoors]

0.51oz/yard DCF and 0.67oz/yard DCF use the exactly the same amount of dyneema but the 0.67oz/yard DCF has an extra film for the printed camo, so essentially they have the same strength (though the 0.67oz/yard DCF might remain waterproof for slightly longer). 0.8oz/yard DCF has double the amount of dyneema and so is a lot stronger (twice as strong?), and also has a more durable PET film than 0.51oz/yard DCF and 0.67oz/yard DCF.
So, I would say that 0.67oz/yard DCF is pretty much a variant of 0.51oz/yard DCF and definitely not in the middle of 0.51oz/yard DCF and 0.8oz/yard DCF.
For 44g extra, I would definitely prefer 0.8oz/yard DCF, but 0.51oz/yard DCF has done us fine in the Duplex, and appears to serve may users of Tarptent's (the other one) Li series tents well.

I found out Zpacks used to use 0.3oz/yard DCF but not any more...Probably too many failures.

 

[Odd Man]

I carry ultralight food too...Several packs of instant noodles. The lightest packs are 65g, some are 85g, and the heaviest are 100g. So for an overnighter I take a minimum of 2 packs (one before going to bed, and one for breakfast), up to a maximum of 3 packs per day.
I carry a small amount of fried onions, herbs and seasonings, a couple stock cubes and some vegetable suet too, in ultralight freezer bags (1g each)...These bump up the flavour and nutritional value of the Noodles. And I sometimes take a couple of packs of Mini Cheddars and some chopped Pecan nuts, as high energy trail snacks. The Mini Cheddars can be thrown in with the Noodles too. All this works out very cheap, as a pack of noodles can cost as little as 20p a pack.

Have you looked at calories/gram on those? Pitiful. Real ultralighters just carry olive oil as it has 9 cal/g versus 3-4 cal/g for noodles.

 

[WilliamC]

I found out Zpacks used to use 0.3oz/yard DCF but not any more...Probably too many failures.

I've used 0.3oz/yard DCF (bought from Zpacks) for stuff sacks.It has half the dyneema of 0.51oz/yard DCF and if you're not careful, you can put your fingers through it.
As Zpacks have grown, I think they've moved away from the lightest gear that might lead to too many returns from users not ready to use cutting edge gear.

 

[el manana]

Might seem a bit unfriendly but i couldn't give a monkey's foreskin

And that @gixer is why you fail...

 

[NEEpps]

That was a cracking weekend. Good company and fairly good weather as I recall. Looks like I took the CDT so couldn't have been much over 8kg as I can only fit the Strat, quilt and mat in it. Must of been the Soto windmaster and gas canister that put me over. Don't remember anyone complaining that their pack was too heavy.

Thanks for bringing back memories of @Mole with no shorts. Have to go back to therapy again now.

 

[Mole]

That was a cracking weekend. Good company and fairly good weather as I recall. Looks like I took the CDT so couldn't have been much over 8kg as I can only fit the Strat, quilt and mat in it. Must of been the Soto windmaster and gas canister that put me over. Don't remember anyone complaining that their pack was too heavy.

Thanks for bringing back memories of @Mole with no shorts. Have to go back to therapy again now.

It was a fun weekend. Nice to meet new and old acquaintances.

I don't really think that anyone's pack was heavy really. My initial post today was really a reaction to @WilliamC writing : Even with mainstream packs, tents etc, your pack weight is likely to be under 8kg or so, and I recalled that we were using some ultralight gear and most were over the 8kg mark. I know at the time, I was surprised I had the lightest pack, as it is never usually the case on such meets.

 

[Alf Outdoors]

Have you looked at calories/gram on those? Pitiful. Real ultralighters just carry olive oil as it has 9 cal/g versus 3-4 cal/g for noodles.

You call that ultralight? 40ml of Olive Oil weighs 33g...but 40ml of vegetable Suet only weighs 17g, and they have almost the same energy content. (815kj vs 820kj)...That is why Suet was the go to fat for arctic expeditions, not Olive Oil.
Liquids are heavier than dehydrated foods...The only liquids you should carry with you is water, and fuel (alcohol or gas).
If you spill oil inside your pack everything will get contaminated and you might not be able to wash all the oil out again, but Suet only melts when it gets over 51'C, so if you spill some suet in your pack nothing gets contaminated (Unless your hiking across the Sahara).

 

[Rog Tallbloke]

You call that ultralight? 40ml of Olive Oil weighs 33g...but 40ml of vegetable Suet only weighs 17g, and they have almost the same energy content. (815kj vs 820kj)...That is why Suet was the go to fat for arctic expeditions, not Olive Oil.
Liquids are heavier than dehydrated foods...The only liquid you should carry with you is water.
If you spill oil inside your pack everything will get contaminated and you might not be able to wash all the oil out again, but Suet only melts when it gets over 51'C, so if you spill some suet in your pack nothing gets contaminated (Unless your hiking across the Sahara).

Do you add the veg suet to your noodle soup?

 

[Odd Man]

You call that ultralight? 40ml of Olive Oil weighs 33g...but 40ml of vegetable Suet only weighs 17g, and they have almost the same energy content. (815kj vs 820kj)...That is why Suet was the go to fat for arctic expeditions, not Olive Oil. Liquids are heavier than dehydrated foods...The only liquid you should carry with you is water..
If you spill oil inside your pack everything will get contaminated and you never be able to wash all, the oil out again, but Suet only melts when it gets over 51'C, so if you spill some suet in your pack nothing gets contaminated (Unless your hiking across the Sahara).

hmm, that's not what professor Google says:

 

[Fossil Bluff]

My name is FB, I sometimes wear Paramo and carry a Hilleberg.

I was feeling ashamed, but I feel a lot better now I’ve shared it with this group. Thank you for your support

 

[edh]

Ah, pedantry....especially amusing for those of us who carry sufficient om-board reserves.....

A quick search here re. veg suet led me to 'butteries' - now these seem like a fine idea and I've yet to make them.....

 

[Rog Tallbloke]

Personally, I prefer beef dripping. Much more flavoursome than vegetable anything. 889kcal per 100g.

 

[edh]

It melts too I guess. Used to have it in toast as a kid.

Now, if you could dehydrate our evenings supper...

 

[Rog Tallbloke]

It melts too I guess. Used to have it in toast as a kid.

Now, if you could dehydrate our evenings supper...

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Who gets the whole clove of garlic?
Dripping toast fried direct on the Aga hob. Yummmmm

 

[edh]

A head.
I try to salvage a clove....
.... but my wife is Italian and from a large family..

 

[cathyjc]

Ah, pedantry....especially amusing for those of us who carry sufficient om-board reserves.....

A quick search here re. veg suet led me to 'butteries' - now these seem like a fine idea and I've yet to make them.....

A good Aberdeen Buttery is indeed a delight .

 

[cathyjc]

I'd much prefer adding some oilive oil to my supper than suet, and my arteries would prefer it too.

 

[Ed the Ted]

Ah, pedantry....especially amusing for those of us who carry sufficient om-board reserves.....

A quick search here re. veg suet led me to 'butteries' - now these seem like a fine idea and I've yet to make them.....

 

[Diddi]

My name is FB, I sometimes wear Paramo and carry a Hilleberg.

I was feeling ashamed, but I feel a lot better now I’ve shared it with this group. Thank you for your support

Well done FB, it's the first step.




I weighed my pack once

 

[Alf Outdoors]

Do you add the veg suet to your noodle soup?

Yes, but only 1 teaspoon per pack of noodles, as it they get greasy after that. I don't use enough water to turn my Noodles into a soup, just what is required as per the instructions on each pack to rehydrate them.
I don't eat red meat (Beef Lamb or Pork), only birds (Chicken, Turkey, Duck etc) and fish, which is why I use vegetable suet.

 

[Alf Outdoors]

I'd much prefer adding some oilive oil to my supper than suet, and my arteries would prefer it too.

It would only effect your arteries if your not burning off all the energy provided by the Suet...I only use a 1 teaspoon of Suet per pack of Noodles, and the Noodles themselves only provide 171kcals, so your body, which requires more energy than this, especially if you have been hiking for any distance, will efficiently consume the Suet's energy.
Unlike Olive oil, Suet also contains carbohydrate, which helps you to feel filled up with a smaller meal.

 

[OwenM]

<cough> bell <cough> end!

Many people would view ultralight hikers as a bunch of stoopids, who are trying catch pneumonia as they mince about in tights and plimsolls trying to pitch a DCF handkerchief in driving rain, in winter, on Dartmoor for a single night. But it’s not until you throw in the ‘cultural’ or ‘philosophical’ aspect that the objective becomes clearer.h.

Is it a bit like zen.

Are you grasshopper?

 

[Fossil Bluff]

Is it a bit like zen.

Are you grasshopper?

When you can snatch the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave... I loved Kung Fu.

Kwai Chang Caine was the ultimate ultralight hiker, nothing but an empty satchel and a bamboo flute.

 

[edh]

三碗不過崗

"Three bowls and you can't cross the ridge."

Difficult to argue with that.