Buffalo mountain shirt

Discussion in 'Clothing & Footwear' started by Jon jons, Oct 30, 2018.

  1. Gneiss Boots

    Gneiss Boots Summit Camper

    A hood is fantastic. About 8 years ago I got a hood for my much older buffalo smock. It makes such a difference when on hill and in warmth provided. Highly recommended and increase usage for me. I have in past recommended montane hood over buffalo one as I like wired peak and they do fit ok. Whichever you get I highly recommend adding a hood and have then used for skiing, warmth in cold conditions.
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  2. Taz38

    Taz38 Thru Hiker

    S6 shirt looks good, the longer cut is appealing. No women's version, the only shirt that's longer is the teclite which is an inch longer at the back, the rest are the same except the windshirt which is a little shorter at the front. The teclite also has a (better) collar and hood and is a little lighter. These will be rare as hens teeth secondhand.
    I'm very interested in getting some teclite trousers for winter overlaying. Not too pricey at £76.
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  3. Pipe Cleaner

    Pipe Cleaner Summit Camper

    The active shirt is the same as the mountain shirt but with a lighter version of pertex I believe. The special 6 is 2" longer but when laid on the floor in the shop side by side the S6 was at least 3" longer. A big difference IMHO.

    Buffalo told me that S6 is best if you're tall mountain shirt could work out a bit short when I contacted them with a few questions. Very down to earth reply I thought.

    Well I'm starting to think about buffalo again. Teclite, tecmax, parka or alpine to go over the top in real cold? Or for stops? Do you go a size up? 42 is made to measure for me so 44 if over layering?

    Actually the teclite / tecmax would be for wearing instead of the S6.
  4. Taz38

    Taz38 Thru Hiker

    Not sure if it works well overlaying, except for the belay jacket.
    The womens teclite shirts is hard to buy new, only found one shop sofar.
    If anyone has any trousers they want selling pls let me know.
  5. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I have Moutain Shirt, Teclite and Tecmax.
    The Teclite is not only lighter weight pertex, it has also a much lighter inner lining - thinner even than a 100wt fleece more like a Rab Vapourlite lining.
    The Tecmax has a very dense pile - different to the regular moutain shirt.

    My usage is approx. :-

    Mountain Shirt - 0c to 10c,
    Teclite 10c to mid teensC. - depends how windy it is.
    Tecmax - below 0c - brilliant in serious "Arctic conditions".:thumbsup::thumbsup:

    The Tecmax is not made in female version and is a bit 'tight' around the hips for me (-even tho' I'm not the poverbial "pear shape" o_O)
    Tecmax - I'd suggest going up a size the arms are quite 'slim' cut. Well mine is.
  6. Pipe Cleaner

    Pipe Cleaner Summit Camper

    Thanks for that. Perhaps the tecmax was the one I should have got.

    A lot of the ppl I know who got the mountain shirt wore it in winter. A lot got them for winter kayak trips as a warm layer to put on quickly when you get out and for sitting around outside while the car shuttle is happening. Or used with nothing underneath in all sorts of conditions right up to severe winter conditions with blizzards and sub zero temperatures. One guy did 60 miles in full winter in less than 24 hours in the Yorkshire 3 peaks area in just the mountain audit shirt. Starting in the middle of the night when it was into minus double figures! I guess he must have had antifreeze in his blood not to feel cold.

    So you can see why I had the idea buffalo dp tops were rare warm for winter use. Thank you for the temperature guide. How would you rate your warmth levels? What I mean is do you run hot or cold? Generally women tend to feel the cold more than men but that's not universal rule. I feel the cold when my weight is lower and not when higher. Right now I predict a cold feeling winter because I've got a low end bmi for me. Just how cold have you worn the tecmax in? Would it cope with down to - 10°C?

    I am not adverse to buying another buffalo and if tecmax is capable of use in much lower temperatures than S6 / mountain shirts then that could be one option on its own or a buffalo over layer like belay, alpine or lightweight parka.
  7. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I said it was "my usage" I cannot account for anyone elses' :).
    I'm an older female with a modest amount of adipose tissue and I move relatively slowly - so yes, I guess I run cold :D.
    I suggest you get a 2ndhand Mountain shirt (they wear very well) and see how you rate it for warmth. If you buy wisely then sellling on won't lose you much £'s.
    A hood is an excellent idea. I have a Montane Extreme hood for my Tecmax - not sure if they are still made - try 2ndhand.
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  8. Pipe Cleaner

    Pipe Cleaner Summit Camper

    Forgot to say slim arms isn't an issue but I have deceptively wide shoulders. I'm tall and slim which kind of hides the fact my shoulders are wider than my chest size is normally. My newly bought S6 shirt is OK but it does show a little tight across the front of the shoulders. How is the size fit differ between the tecmax and the other shirts? Similar or different?

    Temperature question was really about whether you feel the cold more or less than other people you might get out and about with. If you walk in groups you will probably end up with people at both extremes. People wearing hats and gloves in summer through to people walking in practically full winter conditions in a long sleeve base layer.

    I'm seriously not kidding about that last bit. A middleaged fellow whitewater kayaker friend used to have to get out of his boat to strip down to nothing on his upper body under the dry cag. One trip which saw waves of water freezing on the top of the kayak and he had to borrow a mate's spare dry cag which was a short sleeved, semi dry cag. A tough glaswegian with antifreeze for blood.
  9. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I walk solo mostly.
    Sometimes I run colder than my hubby sometimes I run hotter - that is most uninformative - I cannot say how I compare to you.

    I think the Tecmax fits a bit tighter than the Mountain shirt as the pile is much denser and doesn't 'squish' down.
  10. Meadows

    Meadows Section Hiker

    I'd say that is a fairly realistic temp range for use @cathyjc .

    Buffalo do custom work/sizes...just sayin'.
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  11. Pipe Cleaner

    Pipe Cleaner Summit Camper

    Not until spring 2019 for custom work apparently. Guess they're too busy trying to get the month to three month lead time down for supplying their main UK retailers! Stock at shops that used to carry a lot are really down to the last dregs, or at least it looks like that to me. Perhaps those shops might be slowly dropping the brand though. Although a shop in Keswick quoted 6 weeks for sizes that were out of stock. They hold a larger range than most buffalo retailers.

    What is the pile like in tecmax? The teclite is a short, dense pile I think like a slightly thicker version of the rab vapour rise drop liner. DP I have. Is tecmax halfway between the two or even thicker than the DP stuff in mountain / S6 shirts?
  12. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    Is this it on Ebay?
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  13. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Shops always run low at this time of the year, they don't stock too much in the milder months as customers wanting them are few and far between.
    Over the past couple of years, the popularity has risen again , as people interact more on social media and they are seen more on the hills due to people catching on to the fact that they work as well as they do and have very little to fail.
    Most people that 'give up' on them are the ones who pack their fears and don't trust in them . Often they wear base layers with them that don't allow them to do what they do.
    I myself go through hit an miss love affairs with them.
    I have a friend who wears his teclite ? More than anything else. He's on the hills every single day, usually early morning when it's damp and 'fresh' but also at other times of the day as it's so comfortable.
    The wife was another who has love hate relationship with hers.
    She sold it on as do others , more due to 'rarely worn, takes up wardrobe space, etc.
    I don't wear mine enough, but that's more down to being gear obsessed and constantly trying new kit , loving it, then eventually falling back to loving the old.
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  14. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    No that's a Buffalo hood - works but the Montane is warmer and better designed IMHO. Keep an eye out on ebay it's where I found mine.
  15. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I don't know the S6 shirts.
    The Tecmax fleece is like a 200 weight Patagonia synchilla fleece only much denser pile. Warmer than the regular DP pile.
  16. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    While were 'on trend' heres a rare one. Calange reversable to suit activity, temperature, 20181112_114206.jpg 20181112_114127.jpg 15420232525217813958344974079628.jpg mid weight , shallow pile/fleece. Pit zips, pockets, sensible deep neck and draw hem. Suit up to a 43 ? chest depending if layerd up or not.
    Just saying :whistling:
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  17. Gneiss Boots

    Gneiss Boots Summit Camper

    I got mine direct from Montane. call them as they did do them as single items. I have seen buffalo hoods in several colours at Needlesports in Keswick. Like others have said there are not many stockists out there now it seems.
  18. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I aquired a bundle of pre-loved Buffalo hoods - odd colours and styles.
    I never got round to moving them on. If interested I could put them on the POGO thread.
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  19. ColinHawke

    ColinHawke Ultralighter

    Bit late to the party - I lived in my Buffalo gear (mountain shirt and matching trousers) for years on various climbing trips back in the day in all seasons. I often wore them right next to the skin and they sometimes got real stinky .. but always warm. A lot of my 'old' photos & slides (remember them) have me wearing this blue ensemble. I imagine Buffalo haven't changed much over the years, have they?

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  20. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Section Hiker

    What are sized like in Buffalo? True to their given size? Might be tempted to keep an eye on ebay given the love on here
  21. Jon jons

    Jon jons Ultralighter

    I got a tailor to measure my chest and put cash in their charity pot. Was 42" so ordered 42" and great fit. I'm 5'10 and 13 1/2st.
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  22. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Section Hiker

    Thanks Jon, good to know.
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  23. Taz38

    Taz38 Thru Hiker

    Yes please Cathy.

    Wish I wore my buffalo shirt atm, its quite chilly here. Wore my buffalo mitts earlier when my fingers started to turn blue. These usually live in my bag as you just never know.
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  24. Pipe Cleaner

    Pipe Cleaner Summit Camper

    I measured at 41.75" chest and the 42" fits like it's a tailored smock. It's a special 6 shirt but that's the same size as the mountain shirt except for being about 3" longer. I'm 6'5" / 196cm tall and seem to be currently 79kg but normally 85kg. The shirt I have is perhaps a little long for even me.

    My question is about hood sizing. Do you match large with a large size or pick head size? I look like my head is narrow but I actually have a bit head (Tilley measuring tape has the description "exceptionnel" against the measurement I got when I used it in store).

    Montane no longer sell their hood separately. So if you damage a montane extreme hood you can't replace it apparently. That was the blunt email reply I got from montane customer service.
  25. Nevis

    Nevis Section Hiker

    I thought the Montane ones were just one size? I have one somewhere, i'll check the size and if its any good for you you can have it if you want? I don't like them as when it's up i cant hear a bleeding thing and what i can hear which isn't much is all muffled :(

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