Discussion in 'DIY & MYOG' started by Clare, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    So, I know my chair thing doesn't necessarily make much sense, but on a long trip I want to be able to sit and watch the stars in comfort, while wrapped in my quilt, or sit inside the tent to read on a rainy day.

    On a long trip, I want to carry less weight, not more, and this chair weighs 402g, almost the same as a tent (if I had an Aeon Li, which I don't), so possibly, in the end, I'll decide against taking it to France with me.

    So this is or was born as a Helinox Ground Chair. I replaced the DAC tubes with carbon tubes, including little thinner inner tubes so that the two pieces that comprise the longer back struts can snap together. Quite satisfying. Weighs 342g. Total weight saving on tubes 100g.

    I replaced the supplied sturdy canvas and mesh sling chair with a home made sil nylon sling. I experimented with complicated half lap seams for max strength but in the end just did what I think is called a french seam, ordinary seam then overstitching the seam allowance in one direction. The real stress points are where the poles meet the pole holding pockets. I made the pockets with hypalon and spread the load by putting foam inside a pocket on the corners. It weighs 60g. Total saving on sling chair 149g

    So original ground chair 645g. Mine is 402g. Was it worth the huge effort. Probably not! But anyway, there it is.

  2. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    Here is the chair I made last year, it weighed about 100g, but never felt sturdy enough and in fact duly broke. I could probably make a better stronger version of this for not much more weight, but I like the off the ground sitting of the Helinox.

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  3. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    Good skills Clare, a handsome weight saving
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  4. oreocereus

    oreocereus Thru Hiker

    Maybe too limiting but I wonder if there’s a place for a mini hammock if the routes suit? A brief look at the dutchwear website indicates 100-200g depending on various options.

    I like the look ok of your first design. Has anyone designed a chair to use trekking poles as vertical supports? Assuming they’re not your tent poles:)
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  5. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    Not really, sounds too limiting or impossible since I want to sit inside my tent in the rain. it's true that in Mallorca in Spring I had an actual branch inside my tent holding it up due to walking pole malfunction, but it wouldn't do for hammocking.
  6. oreocereus

    oreocereus Thru Hiker

    Gotcha. Yes, it would only work in a particular setting and camping style. And if that style/setting was there I’d probably just have an actual hammock sleeping system anyway.

    I’m surprised you sit on a chair in your shelter without pressing against the fly?
  7. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    Not sure if I can sit on this chair in the Notch, haven't tried it yet, but will take x-mid or StratLi to the Pyrenees this year and bags of space in both of them.
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  8. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    Tramplite did a clever thing with retaining pockets on the side of his pack, into which he slid the handles of his poles, so the pack becomes the back rest and the poles triangulate to the ground. I tried this with thin carbon poles but it wasn't stable. You need to connect the poles at ground level to stop sliding apart. Also it really only works when the pack is full, otherwise the retaining pockets on the pack have too much movement in them. My carbon poles were too thin. It might work better with thicker tubes. with a walking pole the spike at the end helps with stability. That spike is No good inside a tent inner obviously. Good to be reminded though as I am making a pack right now and it might be worth trying it again, especially now that I can make snap elastic carbon poles.
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  9. HillBelly

    HillBelly Section Hiker

    at 402g... its probably lighter than some of the extras some folk take - such as cameras and the like. So its a nice comfort addition. My mate once took his Alite Monarch butterfly chair to a bothy. Now that was a comfy little chair.
  10. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    Good point. I don’t take a camera and don’t plan to take the kindle this year.

    The alite monarch does look very nice. 590g. I wasn’t sure about having to stabilise it with my feet while sitting though. I want to be able to conk out.
  11. benp1

    benp1 Trail Blazer

    I have the Alite Monarch. I've had it for a few years now, means I can take a chair with me on the right trip, and it's packs down to a good size.

    Still too heavy to take on an overnight trip that I'm walking on, unless the purpose is just to chill out for the evening

    From memory it was hugely expensive getting it from the US, the UK price is reasonable in comparison

    Once you've got the knack for getting in and out it's fine. The other benefit is you can rock gently on it and you can also sit on a slope!
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  12. Tartanferret

    Tartanferret Thru Hiker

    Those quickback chairs are now available in the UK.
    I was gonna attempt a MYOG rather than pay import fees.
    My try one out now they are a realistic price :)

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  13. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

    I’ve a new litesmith quikbak chair somewhere, think I listed it in the for sale thread years ago

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  14. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

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  15. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    It's all about the backrest :)
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  16. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    Depends how keen you are to take a chair, at 402g thats lighter than a chair zero or any other raised chair. Nice job. :thumbsup:
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  17. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    Yeah i was thinking that @Shewie , the benefits of a chair for me would also being in a raised position, i think i would need both for taking one to be worth the effort (for me)
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  18. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I used my old TAR self-inflating sit pad with my Qwikbak on my last outing, very comfy, much less dead butt syndrome compared to using my zlite pad
  19. benp1

    benp1 Trail Blazer

    My thermarest sit mat was pretty good for that

    Is there a reason you want a chair for star gazing? Sometimes lying down is the least impactful as there's no neck strain? A chair is more civilised though
  20. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    Not really. It’s an obsession without a cause. It’s nice to sit in a campsite with a book and a beer on a chair.
  21. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

  22. Rmr

    Rmr Section Hiker

    I use a Robens Geographic fold up triangular stool, not suitable for long term use but I only use it when cooking etc. Can't remember the weight but slips in long side pocket of pack.
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  23. Bopdude

    Bopdude Section Hiker

    I just got a chair gifted no idea on make or weight guessing around the half kilo mark, I'll weigh it and post a picture when I'm back in the UK, not the most compact thing though but it might be worth it.
  24. Diddi

    Diddi Thru Hiker

  25. Sue

    Sue Trail Blazer

    I like your new chair but may try to copy your earlier air mat chair. Where did this chair break? If you were going to make another, what would you change?
    Thanks. Hope the pack is going well.

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