Does downsizing to a smaller pack make even sense??

Discussion in 'Packs & Accessories' started by Autumn Flower, May 26, 2019.

  1. Autumn Flower

    Autumn Flower Trail Blazer

    Ok here goes my latest dilemma.

    I have a Gossamer gear mariposa (about 800g) and generally extremely happy with it.

    I am aware however that it is a little overkill as I hardly ever use the 60l capacity.

    I want to downgrade and just saw a lovely zimmerbuilt quickstep second hand.

    Very tempted to buy!!

    36l, 277g but no hip belt or chest straps which very much worries me (lack of support).

    But then I was thinking:

    I can only use it for short summer trips as it's so tiny.

    The small amount of items I can manage to squeeze inside are so light that if I put said items in my mariposa it's so light that it doesn't matter anyway because it's not heavy. Who knows the mariposa might actually carry it better too as it has good support.

    So why bother with such a tiny pack?!!

    Am I seeing this wrong??
    Can someone enlighten me in case i missed something?

    However of course a cuben Fibre 45 - 50l bag with a significant weight saving would be perfect ( and also has hip and chest support)

    Anyone selling ;) ???

    Basically it doesn't make sense to buy the zimmerbuilt, right?

    Thank you for input and your views :)
    Last edited: May 26, 2019
  2. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    If you are uncertain it's probably not right. Wait for the time you know it's the "right thing".
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  3. Autumn Flower

    Autumn Flower Trail Blazer

    Best advice ever hahaha

    Thank you.. Yes we know when it is right because we feel it.... Sometimes we forget to use that feeling / instinct / intuition
  4. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Too small. Too light. Too expensive if its the one on ebay.
    You'll compensate by adding some stiffening....or won't be happy.
    You can always pack 'podgy' with the Mariposa...letting the load compress your sleeping bag....
    But hey, I backpack with 40 litre max...and can only fill that when I carry 4 days food.
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  5. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    I use old Mariposas as they are 530g with frame. I got shot of all my smaller packs as I won't find anything lighter that carries as well for the volume. I just pack podgy as @edh says.
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  6. Autumn Flower

    Autumn Flower Trail Blazer

    I cannot see one on ebay. Could you send the link please ?

    And What is stiffening? Thank you
  7. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Maybe it was FB....sorry I'm about to dine; I take that seriously :D
    I was meaning CCF or somesuch for stiffening....
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  8. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Not sure there is much to be gained in practice going bellow 10oz.
    But clearly the answer is you NEED packs covering
  9. Autumn Flower

    Autumn Flower Trail Blazer

    Ok... Thank you :)

    Ok, I get it! Thank you
    Enjoy the preciousness of a yummy dinner :)
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  10. Autumn Flower

    Autumn Flower Trail Blazer

    Yes exactly... I feel so too.. No real gain, just more compromises than what could have been the benefits.
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  11. fluffkitten

    fluffkitten Moderator Staff Member

    There are never to many packs. :D
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  12. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    If the current rucksack is too big, just don't compress your kit as much :thumbsup:
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  13. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Stay large...

    Just take more snacks.

    And perhaps a kite* too :)

    *although @tom informs us that there are serviceable varieties available, of 26g or less. Which hardly seems consciencable :confused:
    Last edited: May 26, 2019
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  14. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    Maybe if we saw a gear list we could scrutinise your needs and talk you into even more unnecessary purchases :D
  15. Autumn Flower

    Autumn Flower Trail Blazer

    OH goshhh help!! That made me giggle TV :rolleyes::geek::laugh:

    Might just have to make one... Can't pass on an excuse to be talked into more NECESSARY purchases lol
  16. Autumn Flower

    Autumn Flower Trail Blazer

    I do not mind the size, was more conscious of carrying the unnecessary weight of the backpack which I am not actually fully making use of ... I actually quite like my backpack... But any excuse to get weight down ;)
  17. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    800g ain't bad for a rucksack
    If it's comfortable and under 1kg i recon you're lucky you've found something :thumbsup:

    This place does seem to be more of a rucksack fetish site than a hiking site at times :whistling:

    Can't say as i really understand it to be 100% honest
    As i said above if you've got something that carries the sort of weight you pack, for the trips you hike, is comfortable and is under 1kg i'm not sure why you'd (in general) keep looking or buying rucksacks

    It's the same with rucksack size
    Personally i'd sooner have something that's slightly over sized
    Might just be me, but it don't half wind me up trying to squeeze every last molecule of air out of every stuff sack every time i pack up, even then the rucksack is like me trying to fit in my old 32" jeans with every seam popping and stretching :bag:

    It's really easy to go down the "this kit must be better" path, i know i've done it
    I bought so much crap, my mindset being i've not found the perfect rucksack, tent, sleeping bag etc etc

    The reality is it's only walking, it's placing 1 foot in front of the other
    As a species we've been doing it for a few years, and sleeping outdoors

    There is no "perfect" anything for hiking, it's all a compromise

    So if you've found a rucksack that's lightweight and is comfortable i'd save your money for train, plane or car tickets/fuel and enjoy more trips :thumbsup:
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  18. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Now now Gix, talk like that will have you in the sin bin for weeks.

    The wheels will be falling off the capitalist machine with that kind of make do, and mend type of attitude :angelic:

    I'm pretty rubbish at neatly stowing into an only just big enough pack too..
    It's a different story trying to get all your stuff in, whilst crouched in a slightly soggy tent, when everything is a bit damp, compared with Hank showing us how he does it, on his dry workshop table, under sunny Californian skies.

    But maybe @Daymoth is a tad more competent :cool:.
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  19. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Hot take
    Small packs are just for signaling status.
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  20. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    or because you like them.....
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  21. Autumn Flower

    Autumn Flower Trail Blazer

    You made me giggle... And yes I agree with you totally!!

    Think the reason people get so obsessed about it though is because they want to have ultimate fun, maximum pleasure and comfort (especially if you walk long distance over many days covering high altitude each day). The right pack does impact that and can make a beautiful difference.

    But all in all I totally agree with you, I actually never had a problem with my pack or even considered going down this route until I allowed myself to be influenced.

    And now it's too late to turn back... I'm intrigued, it is contagious... I want to see if there is a better suitable pack, bring the weight down, increase comfort etc etc

    However especially with me having made a commitment to myself 6 weeks ago that this is enough and to make do with what I have (except for super hyper essential items such as my recently acquired bivy :cool: and sourcing for a more rain proof shelter) I am going to take your wise words on-board and for now at least let it go.

    I do love my little mariposa (his name is Henry). :shamefullyembarrased:
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  22. Autumn Flower

    Autumn Flower Trail Blazer

    You made me laugh :laugh:
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  23. Lamont-Cranston

    Lamont-Cranston Thru Hiker

    I just feel a wee sibling for Henry is on the cards. :whistling: Tell him to play nice.
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  24. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    But @edh , you don't count. You actually use your kit!
    There was a thread a year or two ago regarding small packs. I had my mind changed by the persuasive argument that 10-20l worth of extra volume can add only tens of grams and as long as your not spending your day squeezing through gaps you may never notice. Horses for courses of course but for me I now use a 40-50l pack. My gear will fit into a 20 though sans grub.
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  25. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Had a similar discussion about push bikes with a mate of mine recently

    He was taking the pee cause one of my MTB's is 2009 the other from 1994
    Apparently 26" wheels and 3x9 gears aren't as much fun as modern kit :whistling:

    Admittedly he is faster than me, both uphill and downhill
    Mind you he's younger, slimmer, fitter and has 2 arms on the handlebars :whistling:

    When we got back home he was complaining that the rear shock wasn't rebounding well, his fancy 12x1 gear kept jumping, his remote front fork lock-out wasn't working........

    Me i'd dragged my old, fat, knackered body up and down the mountain, my old bike was as good or bad as it always is, i stopped many times to catch my breath and looked out at the amazing views
    I'd managed to ride a uphill section in one go instead of stopping as all the other times
    I was tired, sweaty but grinning ear to ear
    Don't how how a newer bike or components could have equalled more fun

    In my mind, if the kit does it's job i.e. gets you around the ride on a MTB, dry if it's a tent, warm if it's a sleeping bag, but is all light enough not to completely knacker you out, i don't think kit has any impact on fun when it comes to the outdoors

    I have seen people where it does, but i've also seen these people come and go pretty quickly, as for them they're drawn to the kit or showing off their new kit to complete strangers on the internet
    That buzz quickly fades

    I think if you're drawn to the outdoors then getting out there is the priority, kit is just a means to an end

    Look at Mole, FWC, Teepee, Tom, Oct
    They probably have more nights on the hills than the rest of the forum put together, it's rare you hear anything of them go on about kit though, Teepee wants something so he makes it which is even better still
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