Flatcatgear Ocelot gas burner windshield testing.

Discussion in 'Kitchen' started by Mole, Jun 18, 2020.

  1. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Flatcatgear Jon Fong has just done a few efficiency tests of stoves with and without his new windshields, in no wind and measured wind.

    Here is the video,

    and a screenshot of results


    Always surprised when I see gas users not using a windshield of some sort. As I knew that wind increases boil times, and therefore fuel use.

    But didn't think it was to this extent with such a small amount of wind.

    Looks like a screen is well worth it.
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  2. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

    Yes, after watching that I've started playing with my empty beer cans again -haven't managed anything that will sit inside the cup with the canister yet. In the wind I always stick something around it though. The Windmaster especially and Amicus are good ....but good savings to be had. Especially liked the still pic of the bent flame in quite light wind.
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2020
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  3. Jon Fong

    Jon Fong Trekker

    Greetings! I just joined this site! If I could figure out how to post a picture, I would attach a cool graph for you. - Jon
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2020
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  4. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

    Even this little stack of wood is making a difference this morning. I am in a wee copse though with a 5-10 kmhr wind . 20200619_083205.jpg
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  5. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

    Greetings Jon. Look forward to it.
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  6. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Hi Jon. Welcome

    Saw your post on Facebook earlier.
    I like the wind tunnel!
    And the graph.

    If you have a URL for an online location of of your graph image, you can post using the image link button. The URL needs to end in an image file extension such as .jpeg...

    (Not sure if Google photos work)

    But to upload files directly here you need to be a subscriber.
  7. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Welcome Jon, I don't have any of your products,(yet) but I do like the cut of your jib and enjoy your videos and opinions.
    I love your take on esbit :thumbsup:

    To post pictures, there is a section to advise.. I'll get you the link in a minute..... :whistling:
  8. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

  9. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

    BRS models only supported at the moment I believe?
  10. Jon Fong

    Jon Fong Trekker

    Well, it seems that you need to be a donating member to post pictures. I am looking to see how to become a donating member.
    Currently, we support the BRS 3000t, PocketRocket 2, PocketRocket Delux and the Fire Maple 300T (Wasp or Hornet). After the initial release, we will be reaching out to see what other stoves should be added to the system. - Jon

    PS The BRS 3000t was the poorest perfromance in the wind while the PocketRocket Deluxe was the best.
  11. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I think that it's only direct upload that requires subscription. If you click the little postcard symbol above the box
    You should get a pop up like this...
    And then you just add, by pasting the url of your image... It needs to be forum compatible like Flickr etc.
    Hope that helps?
  12. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Looks like 7-8 is reaching the limit with that pot/windscreen. Interesting that the stove variable pretty much disappears with your screen. Makes the lighter stoves more appealing.
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  13. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    This graph?
    Posted using the url of your image on BPL forum
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  14. Foxster

    Foxster Section Hiker

    Hi Jon. Please consider adding the Soto Amicus to your offerings.
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  15. Jmws

    Jmws Ultralighter

    I like the design; simple and effective. Surprised the light breeze made such a difference to the flame pattern.

    I’ve always fancied trying one of Jon’s designs, snow leopard for my MSR Titan Kettle springs to mind, and now this for my alpkit 750 mug, but the cost of importing always puts me off.

    A few more offerings and a “group buy” may be on the cards in the near future.
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  16. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

  17. Jon Fong

    Jon Fong Trekker

    You beat me to it!
  18. Meadows

    Meadows Section Hiker

    Crude but effective wind barrier V1.
    Only works with mug pots that have a smaller diameter than the pan supports as the supports poke through holes in the shield. Closes with a slit and tab at the back and fits in the pot. 10g.
    20200628_165812.jpg 20200628_165905.jpg
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  19. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

    I like it very much. Well done. You could sell them. I tried somthing like this but still got quite a bit of wind from below the screen. Distorted the flame but it did make contact with the edge of my cup at least. I have an issue with my cup/pot as they are the squat Evernews. So I need to find a way to extend 2 pieces vertically for more coverage.
    How did you join the two pieces? Have you tried it in some wind yet?
    Let's know how it goes.
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2020
  20. Meadows

    Meadows Section Hiker

    The 2 pieces are joined with JB Weld with aluminum tape one the top and has held up ok, maybe 25/ 30 times.
    Not done any formal testing but might be interesting to compare. Anecdotally, it seems to work so even a small saving is good in the long run.
  21. JKM

    JKM Thru Hiker

    Another vote for the Soto Amicus here @Jon Fong :thumbsup:
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  22. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

    Nice work. Would really be interested to know how much it saves. Had my little attempt hooked up near a fan probably about 10-15 kms/hr. What is JB weld? Need specialist equipment?
    Edit. Probably should be asking you about this on the DIY thread. Oops.
  23. Henry

    Henry Ultralighter

    Third vote for the Amicus; great stove.
  24. William.K

    William.K Trail Blazer

    My Soto Micro Regulator Stove would be another good candidate for an Ocelot windscreen fitment option. It doesn't have the concave burner head of the Amicus or Windmaster stoves so really suffers in the wind.

    And this is the problem, we all have different stoves. I'd like to buy an Ocelot windscreen. But don't want to have to buy another stove to be able to get one. And i can't see any version being made for any of the other canister mounted stoves i already own.

    Great windshield system though:thumbsup:.

  25. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

    Talk about crude. Gone back to the tin foil.
    This morning with about 20-25 km/hr winds.
    Add me to the Amicusers request Jon.
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2020
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