Harvey maps

Discussion in 'Everything Else' started by benp1, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:26 AM.

  1. benp1

    benp1 Trail Blazer

    Anyone use these? How do you find they compare with OS maps?

    I'm looking at at trip in the lakes in about 5 weeks but it's split over the edges of two OS maps, so I'd have to carry two maps when I use a GPS already. Same problem on 1:25k or 1:50k

    The 1:40k harvey map for the lakes would cover me in one go. Don't want to buy a subscription and print maps off, I like having a 'library' of maps. Just not sure if I'll like using them. I have a map case that I use already so don't need them waterproofed, though no harm if it is

    FWIW, I'm red-green colour blind so shading of lines on a map doesn't always help me (though this is a problem with OS too)
  2. Charlie83

    Charlie83 Ultralighter

    Bought the CWT south Harvey map, thought it was pretty crap tbh, didn't bother buying the north part, left the south one at home and just used viewranger.

    When I used OS maps I was in a lucky position of having unlimited maps through work, so I just used to cut them up and join bits together for my routes, was ideal for TGO etc
  3. RobH

    RobH Summit Camper

    Personally I have only used them once, on the WHW. Was useful if you stayed on the route but if you need/want to deviate you need something else. I also had Viewranger and OS maps on my phone so had that covered. I am looking to walk the CWT and may buy the two maps for that (if my final planned route is similar to the Harvey route) and again use viewranger/GPS/OS segments to cover everything off piste.
  4. OwenM

    OwenM Ultralighter

    I like them, there are two scales. 1:25,000 superwalker and 1:40,000 British Mountain Maps. They're printed on polythene so no mapcase needed. Unfortunately they only cover selected areas so don't cover everywhere. I just think they're clearer especially the 1:25,000.
  5. Munro277

    Munro277 Thru Hiker

    If between maps can you nuot just print and laminate section you need ?laminaters and sheets can be had for under 20 notes these days
  6. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Yup - I had the same problem some years ago.
    I got 'Custom' map made by OS which centered the map over the central LD. Now I can opt for that or one of the other 4 "corner' maps depending on the trip.
    Bit costlier - but works for me.
    Also it takes a few weeks to arrive - so don't delay if you do decide to do this.
  7. Charlie83

    Charlie83 Ultralighter

    If I come across the southern one, your welcome to have it @RobH

    That was meant to be a quote :banghead:
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2020 at 1:48 PM
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  8. Charlie83

    Charlie83 Ultralighter

    Having a mare here, sorry
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  9. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    @benp1 There's a comparison pic of OS 1:25,000, 1:50,000 and Harvey map of Cairn Gorm here:
    https://www.mountaineering.scot/saf...l-skills/navigation/the-map-and-how-to-use-it

    Personally I've been using OS maps for so long I've become so familiar with them changing to Harvey has an extra barrier for me, almost like learning a different language. You might be fine with them.

    My prejudice advice in your situation would be to get yourself of here:
    https://dash4it.co.uk/ol5-the-english-lakes-north-eastern..html

    and buy the maps you need for £6.29 each, delivered. Use code FEBOFFER and you'll get an extra 12.5% off.

    Then get yourself the OSMaps app on your phone and download the digital maps that you'll get a code for inside the paper maps you have bought.

    You won't go wrong, unless they get wet.

    Maybe buy a map case from Dash4it as well.
  10. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I've got the Cairngorms Harvey map which I find OK & in some respects it's better than the 50k OS as it has more FP's marked but not as many as the 25k OS. Haven't used it a lot as I'm very familiar with the area so it just gets chucked in as a backup up.
    Best investment was to buy the 50K OS maps for the UK from Routebuddy, with this I can easily print & laminate any map I need; only problem was changing to an Android phone which isn't supported so had to buy Viewranger OS mapping also :mad:
  11. Jamess

    Jamess Ultralighter

    The Harvey's 40k would be my map of choice. Small light and tough. The only problem I have found with them is that sticky, sugary substances tend to lift the print off the map.

    I also have view ranger on my phone just in case I need a bit of extra reassurance when relocating, but my phone hardly ever gets switched on.
  12. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    Harvey maps are good, I like them.

    The Superwalkers excel in the mountains; they look 'cleaner', are lighter, and give an easier representaion of the gradient. They don't cover as big an area though and don't have as much total information as the OS Explorer.

    Generally, I pick OS and more often than not the 1:50's series.

    FWIW, I like the 1:25k Dinky maps. They are the same size as my compass and only weigh an ounce, they're ideal for a short trip.
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  13. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    The Harvey's often have features that the os don't... Like changes of colour on contours representing rock to grass etc. Folks withoit the best eyesight find them easier and mountain runners often use them for speed of reference.
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  14. Jamess

    Jamess Ultralighter

    The XT series are hand sized when folded so are great for runners.
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  15. Peterbob67

    Peterbob67 Trekker

    I really like the Harveys maps, for features, but also as they are light and waterproof. I'm not a fan of map case faffage, and this puts me off OS maps, I don't get why they can't print on waterproof paper similar to the Harveys maps.

    I also print maps onto waterproof paper - no need to laminate that way, so less plastic and lighter maps.

    I guess ultimately you have to use the map that you can navigate best with.
  16. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    I suspect that they have invested heavily in a big laminator.
  17. Jim_Parkin

    Jim_Parkin Trail Blazer

    I actually like the 1:40k ultramaps - three cover the peak district with reasonable overlap and are a similar form factor to my phone. They still show field boundaries at that scale

    And as Chiseller says:

    The contour shading is why I started using Harvey's maps - I had a few days in Skye one summer, and as I was on my own, wanted to be *very* careful with my navigation in going up the Black Cullin. I got the OS 1:25k map (Torridon and Cullin, which gives an idea of the age) and the Harvey's Cullin map. The OS map looked like a spider's orgy - with the (then) black ink for crags almost completely obscuring the contour lines - their new grey for crags is better, but still not great. The Harvey's Superwalker was far clearer, as it was just grey contour lines for the rock. It also had a 1:12.5k expansion of the main ridge, which did have some details missing from the 1:25k overall map.

    In the Peak District - my local area, unless I want some features that are not covered (e.g. tumuli) I will pick the ultramap as my first choice.

    The contour shading is a bit redundant for the Peak district, but the highlighting of peat hags separately to marsh is nice, as are shadings for improved pasture, rough pasture and fell/moorland. It does also differentiate between maintained (black) and derelict (grey) field boundaries.

    Certainly in the Peak District, it is often better at showing what tracks (including indistinct tracks) as opposed to separately-listed rights of way are on the ground compared to the OS, and is good enough to navigate on the top of the Kinder Plateau, for example. In fact, as it's 1:40k, it's easier to take compass bearings of more distant landmarks compared to the 1:25k.

    Showing cafes as well as pubs is a bounus for the ultramap (something their 1:40k mountain map doesn't, at least early versions) - I also don't like the mountain map shading of altitude, as it already has contours, and that messes with seeing the underlying contours and the shading for pasture.

    I don't like the fact that churches are not clearly marked on the mountain map (pink buildings rather than black) so that's one feature to take bearings off missing.

    But in general, I like them.
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  18. Jim_Parkin

    Jim_Parkin Trail Blazer


    Oh the latest Harvey's maps are now on polythene, which is even lighter and more waterproof than their paper.
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  19. Jim_Parkin

    Jim_Parkin Trail Blazer

    Oh, and one nice thing I noticed the other day, which I hadn't appreciated before. The contour lines show up under red LED illumination, unlike the orangish/brown on my OS 1:25k map (not sure about landrangers).
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2020 at 12:06 PM
  20. Slowcoach

    Slowcoach Summit Camper

    I have used the Harveys lake district map and i love it cos it is easy to read, uncluttered and easy to carry.
    I also bought the Snowdonia maps...
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  21. benp1

    benp1 Trail Blazer

    Thanks for the input, some useful info here

    I've ordered a lake district 1:40k map to give it a whirl. I'll have 1:50k OS and OSM on my GPS, and Komoot on my phone. Won't be short of maps, but there's something rather nice about using a real map for a sense of perspective and scale

    The only downside is it's about twice as expensive as a standard OS map, even after discount codes etc, maybe it's not a like for like though as the map is coated. Either way, I'll be using it next month

    I do like the idea of different shading to show if it's a grassy or rocky area

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