Lighter rainwear

Discussion in 'Clothing & Footwear' started by Graham, Dec 10, 2015.

  1. Wurz

    Wurz Summit Camper

    I rated my Berghaus Trango in about 1989 unfortunately they don't make that ****er either.

    Wouldn't it be better to mention what people might be able to buy?
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  2. Cass

    Cass Trail Blazer

    Hi Robin. I also have the Marmot essence. I wear it a lot and really like the fit and feel of the jacket though mine seams to wet out quite easily. I have washed and treated it with nikwax recently but not had a chance to put it to the test yet.

    I dont think the waterproof coating is that robust. How has yours held up?
  3. taedawood

    taedawood Hiker

    I agree with everything said about the Montane Minimus...not durable enough nor very breathable. I own the Marmot Essence. It is the most breathable rain jacket I have ever worn. I wore it on a six day trip in the Washington Cascades where it rained all six days. It was incredibly comfortable and kept me dry. Afterwards I notice just a tiny bit of wetting out beginning underneath the shoulder straps but after spraying with ReviveX it is holding up well. Mine weighs just under 7 oz in a large.

    Jennifer Mitol, a member of BPL in the states hiked the Colorado Trail this summer in the Rab Flashpoint. It rained 28 days and she raved about the Flashpoint. She has had both the Essense and the Flashpoint and even though she liked both jackets, she preferred the Flashpoint. However, it is my understanding that the Flashpoint will have a new fabric in 2016 and the current model is rather difficult to find.
  4. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    Not had those problems yet. I have made a small tear in both the jacket and trousers which I've repaired with Mcnett tape. IMO these very lightweight jackets are for occasional use. The material is so light it's not going to take much abuse. For everyday use, I'd want a heavier grade material.
  5. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I think along the same lines; Haglogfs at 218g for backpacks where I think it won't rain much - heavier Arc with stiffer 'non- clingy' fabric for colder, wetter trips.
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  6. Graham

    Graham Thru Hiker

    So you WOULDN'T recommend the Marmot Essence for two 25-35 day treks in variable weather?
  7. Cass

    Cass Trail Blazer

    No probably not.

    I wear mine to work every day. Im a pest controller in london so im walking from job to job, on and off trains or in and out of the van all day. I carrying a back pack of around 8 to 10 kgs. The Essence is good for this type of thing. As mentioned above. Damp weather/showers. It breathes pretty well and is comfortable. It drys very quickly.

    Iv noticed it wets out around shoulder straps to start. I suppose the back pack straps take off the waterproof coating.

    I have used it in the hills, it didn't cope great with high wind and rain combo so i would recommend it for summer possible shower use, as ed said.
  8. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    Not if it was needed most days, I'd choose a heavier jacket.

    I used it on this year's TGO Challenge in conjunction with a Paramo Velez Adventure Light smock. I used the smock most days and the Essence on two days. The Essence coped well with rain and cold winds. The two days I used it, one was over my VAL, which worked well as it was bitterly cold. The VAL was wet when I put on the Essence, but dried out within an hour. The other day I used it over a fleece as it was milder and it worked well with minimal dampness.

    As I mentioned before, the material is not that robust, so it needs to be used with care (like all really light waterproofs).
  9. Creamy

    Creamy Section Hiker

    hi graham.
    surely a question is how much do you want to spend without being personal. and define lightweight. shaving 150g of a coat and affecting performance aint a gr8 idea. if doing kings trail june you are clearly not looking for a waterproof to wander up kinderscout in drizzle on a sunday morning. lol
    350 quid the Arcteryx beta LT currently is an awesome jacket but so many things to consider. cost!!!! shape. pockets. venting. im really into simple designs. minimum pockets. cuffs that adjust with the ability to tighten up the forearms. type of hood.
    i havnt used but a mate is in love with his 66 north snaefell. he suggests its the best waterproof hes ever worn and works in the outdoors fulltime so gets to use either supplied or kit purchased personally by the load.
    marmot essence being mentioned offers good value for money short term but fails badly in long sustained use. i know someone had to buy another jacket because her essence failed miserably on the gr65. and although thats a long route nothing like the potential demands in N Sweden.
    choices choices. good luck.
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2015
  10. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Still waiting to get some bad enough weather to re-test my Zpacks challenger jacket.

    It's kept me dry on all but 1 day so far.
    On that day i was drenched, but i'm 90% sure the rain came in from my face and dripped down (it was windy)

    It's had 3 or 4 other outings but the rain wasn't really bad enough to test it.

    It's not as breathable as my further faster jacket, but the pit zips (an option) make up for this, plus it's not that bad really compared to other waterproofs i've tried.

    Other good thing is, i went for the longer version, so it comes to just above my knees which i like.

    On the downsides,
    It looks half finished compared to say my Further faster jacket, the extra length is literally just stuck on, you can see the join.
    You can also see the white membrane under every joint.

    There's doesn't seem to be any DWR applied at the factory and i'm not really sure what DWR to apply.

    Most the above doesn't bother me as at 220g it's a really light rain layer, the only thing stopping me recommending it is the day i got wet through, i'd prefer to try it out for a full days rain (without the wind) before recommending it.

    Should say that my brother was wearing my Further faster jacket that day, a jacket that i've had out on several non stop rain days without a problem, yet he had exactly the same problem
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2015
  11. Creamy

    Creamy Section Hiker

    the Rab flashpoint is intended as an alpine summer climbing jacket. even emergency use. not a multi day hiking jacket. im not doubting the review however.
  12. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    Not really sure what you're asking me. I just share my experiences of gear I've bought. My choices might not suit others and that's no problem to me. Equally, I'm interested in the gear choices of others but they may not suit me for one reason or another. I'm not pushing the Marmot Essence in any way, just sharing my experience. :thumbsup:
  13. Creamy

    Creamy Section Hiker

    oops sorry robin. i meant graham OP. hi.
  14. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    Ok. You had me a bit confused!
  15. Creamy

    Creamy Section Hiker

    yeah sure i did. just testing you hadnt fallen asleep on sofa with laptop beside you.
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  16. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    That is my foul weather jacket - acquired for £210; it will probably see me out although appears to have been 'adopted' by Dr Delightful.

    Weighing in at 357.456g it is still rigid enough to hold the fabric away from me in hard rain and beads really well. A tad short for scrambling (although I'd be unlikely to use it for that in the rain); great hood. Arc L fits me really well too.
  17. Creamy

    Creamy Section Hiker

    Bargain. How so cheap?
  18. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Lucked upon a Sale last year.
  19. Creamy

    Creamy Section Hiker

    Nice one. Had u scoped out this and found it or was fondling gear in a shop and thought I like that. Paid 315 mine. If I saw it for that price I would buy another a size up.
  20. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    The heavier Beta AR is on sportpursuit at the moment for £199, if anyone's interested. Size large onle.
  21. Graham

    Graham Thru Hiker

    Agreed. I was just investigating what options I'd have to lighten up. Right now, what I'd take on the two treks would weigh almost 1kg. Consensus is I can go lighter but performance and longevity of the kit would be the compromise, as I suspected but I could get some useful weight savings with some smart choices. Just to clarify, I'd be starting the Kungsleden in mid June and the plan is to do some side trails.

    All,

    The input has been great, many thanks. Like Robin said (#37), a useful sharing of experiences. What I'm planning on doing is close to what Mole said (#4):
    1. Keep the Drillium (it's been through some shocking weather and got along fine), I'll see what state it's in at the end of the SWCP.
    2. I'll set up a notification on eBay etc. for the "Rab Demand Smock", you never know ;)
    3. Replace my old Goretex tuff bags ASAP with either the new tuff bag variant and save 120g OR with MLD's eVent rain mitts, to save 150g. I could almost buy two pairs of the MLD's for the same price UOG have on the tuff bags. I use trekking poles pretty much always but still doubt that I'd wear either mitt option out over 900+ miles unless it continually rains.
    4. Consider lighter, less durable pants than my Montane Venture pants, something like Berghaus Paclite's - which I confess I got for my wife, so I should "take my own medicine". That would save 180g and at a reasonable cost.
    5. So potentially 300g or 330g lighter in total, seems a good balance on paper.

    Cheers :thumbsup:
  22. racer66

    racer66 Trail Blazer

    I have a haglofs lim parka and think it makes a great 3 season jacket, no pit zips mind, but long lenth is great on a thru hike esp summer rains. I can wear my shorts keeping my thighs dry and not overheating.

    I have some extremities goretex mitts which I stick over my rab or extremities polartec gloves all through the year for keeping dry or wind free. Not sure they are a current range item though.
  23. Creamy

    Creamy Section Hiker

    1. Consider lighter, less durable pants than my Montane Venture pants, something like Berghaus Paclite's - which I confess I got for my wife, so I should "take my own medicine". That would save 180g and at a reasonable cost
    i use the paclites if starting out wet and cold with a pair of HH lifa leggings under that i have cut to 3/4 length. very comfortable. light 2 layer system. works
    well for me.

    if you,re doing the SWCP in winter that will test your kit. if you can might be good to hear your progress and kit reviews if possible.
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2015
  24. racer66

    racer66 Trail Blazer

  25. Graham

    Graham Thru Hiker

    Gloves and mitts. For the SWCP I'll probably go with my 3 layer system. Windy Dry Lite Gloves as the first layer, some MYOG 100 weight fleece mitts second and then the latest Tuff Bags made of Paclite (just bought some to replace my 191g original Goretex Tuff Bags). I used this layered system when I walked from Vatersay to the Butt of Lewis in May this year. The weather then was unseasonably cold, wet and windy for the most part. Different combos of the 3 layers worked really well. I reckon this system will now weigh 142g, so less than the old Tuff Bags weighed on their own.

    For the Kungsleden, I'll probably take another light fleece mitten as a back-up.

    Good luck with the cuben mitts if you decide to MYO. Do you use trekking poles? A good palm grip is something I look for in my gloves/mitts, so would be interested in your design/materials.

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