ME lhotse gortex sealing problem

Discussion in 'Gear Chat' started by SteG, Oct 29, 2020.

  1. SteG

    SteG Ultralighter

    As above, the seam tape keeps on pealing away. Especially inside hood ware the tape covers the cord pulls for tightness. I've had problems with the tape since new (now 2 years old). Firstly around inside shoulders, where I was able to use cool iron and fixed problem and has remained fine. Tried to use same trick inside hood and seemed ok but after just hand washing it the tape has separated again. Has anybody else had this problem, and found permanent fix? Will seam grip work? Thank you Ste
    first jacket with gortex pro. I don't like it. Prefer my old reliable Myra peak.
  2. OwenM

    OwenM Section Hiker

    Send it back to Mountain equipment, you shouldn't put up with shoddy workmanship at their prices.
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  3. SteG

    SteG Ultralighter

    Thanks Owen, I've sent them an email and see what they say. No point having recurring problems and have no confidence in it if they will fix it for me.
  4. RobH

    RobH Trail Blazer

    I have the same jacket and just checked, mine all fine. I have never been confident with it as it leaked at the main zip and wets out at the shoulders in very light rain. Your post prompted me to send a message to ME to see what they suggest. Have done the tech wash and TX but still not great. I want to like this jacket but I just don't think mine is up to the job. Want a jacket for a winter CWT trip and hoped this would be suitable but currently looking at other options.
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  5. SteG

    SteG Ultralighter

    Yeah I feel the same. Breaths well, light for hardshell but ultimately I don't think it's that weather proof either. I've been wet in certain areas too. Over priced I think and not good enough for what I bought it for. Which is stormy winter weather.
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  6. RobH

    RobH Trail Blazer

    Have you had any response yet, I haven't? Thinking to try my Paramo setup with a light shell when its raining hard. This is for Long distance Scottish trips.
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  7. SteG

    SteG Ultralighter

    No not a peep Rob, I have no paramo Gear, but have been researching what's what.
  8. RobH

    RobH Trail Blazer

    if it helps, I have the Enduro Fleece and jacket. I always use the fleece, there are so many vents its great (for me) for mountainous trips as you can vent all the way up and close down when on the top. The jacket vents mirror the fleece. Often I just use the fleece but once it gets colder or windy (Winter) I use both. Regarding waterproof, its not, however when working hard it does push the water out so at skin/base layer you are dry. But once the rain wets it out it will soak. That said it will keep working and once the weather eases it will quickly dry as long as you keep moving warm. So am thinking to try a light shell for when it gets bad.
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  9. SteG

    SteG Ultralighter

    It does help to know what others are using thanks Rob. I'm assuming light shell just over fleece? What kind of shell are you thinking? I like fleece, and fleece with vents sounds interesting. One good thing about the lhotse is the hood in winter, gives a lot of protection. Something that my Marmot preclip, although I like it, doesn't have. A long peaked cap with Marmot works but not for icy cold wet weather. I'm wondering if that's the main problem for a light shell. I'm not thinking back packing through valleys, more up high, winter day walks?
  10. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Rob. I do similar in Winter wet.

    I use an Alta3 or a Cioch Glamaig.

    If they are totally up to scratch, they aren't generally a problem. But in fierce windblown heavy rain, water can penetrate right through.
    Which means getting cold./ Until it relents and the pump liner dries you put again. ( TBH I've had Montane, n Rab eVent and Berghaus Goretex jackets which wet out in these conditions too, and they are less comfortable then as you stay wet after.).

    I started carrying an XL Decathlon Waterproof smock.
    About 180g. <£10 . Not amazingly breathable, but definitely waterproof. It gets chucked on top of the Paramo when the weather is fierce. And removed as soon as it relents. It's well worth it when not moving so fast (like in a group).
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  11. RobH

    RobH Trail Blazer

    For a Winter CWT type trip I am tempted to use the full Paramo setup (fleece and Jacket) then just add a shell when it starts to get overwhelmed. I hate stopping for gore-tex on goretex off....... in mixed weather. I do normally take the time to change so that I don't end up with all my kit completely soaked and anther 2 weeks to go. Using both would get me through on off light rain and only stop when it turns nasty. I also have the preclip but am thinking to get a Montane Minimus as the overshell. Regarding the fleece it comes with a hood so you would have a hood on the fleece, a hood on the wind/water layer and a hood on the shell. I removed the fleece hood as I never used it and tucked behind the neck it was quite bulky.
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  12. RobH

    RobH Trail Blazer

    @Mole Thats good to know, my thought will work. I am still tempted by the minimus as the shell as it too is quite breathable and may assist the inner drying process. for prolonged 'weather'. I have also been giving the ME Propellor a sideways glance but if ME don't reply soon will be giving them the cold shoulder in future.
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  13. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I'm sure the minimus will help.
    ( Though I've seen so many reports of them not being up to keeping people dry for long in heavy rain I'd be loathe to spend out on one myself. But with Paramo under should be fine.)

    Think Robin used to use a light waterproof with his Velez Adventure Light too.
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  14. RobH

    RobH Trail Blazer

    Still no repose from ME, just sent a reminder.
  15. SteG

    SteG Ultralighter

    Been looking this morning for a contact phone number. There isn't one! That p***s me off. Further searching on trust pilot and UKH shows other examples of problems with customers Lhotse leaking, delaminating and wetting out and complaints of not having emails answered. Could be in for a long wait.
  16. SteG

    SteG Ultralighter

    I have now had a reply to a new message that I sent them 30 min ago. Apologies for server being down and that they hadn't received my original email. Although both emails were attached to their reply to me??
    Anyway they have asked me to send it in for inspection so we will wait see how I get on.
  17. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    Not defending anyone, but the email SMTP protocol tries to reach the destination several times before giving up. They might have had a server outage and the email has been just hanging out until the server is back up and then it’s been delivered alongside with your newer email.
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  18. RobH

    RobH Trail Blazer

    Just had the same response, I had put my messages on their online form. Will wait to see their suggestion. I rewashed and proofed it again but still after less than a minute in the shower it started wetting out at the shoulders. My 20+ year old Berghaus Extrem does better. Doesn't look like my jacket update was successful..... Still, will wait to hear back.
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  19. SteG

    SteG Ultralighter

    I hope you have some joy Rob
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  20. RobH

    RobH Trail Blazer

    Unfortunately I cannot provide proof of purchase so they cant help. Will keep it for dog walking if we ever get a dog.... only jacket you will ever need........
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  21. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    That's really poor. How does where you bought it( or if someone else bought it) really matter. They'll have a pretty good idea how old it is just by looking.

    US companies like Thermarest, guarantee their product, never mind who owns it.


    That's ME off my list for a hardshell.

    ( They already were anyway, the hoods look ridiculous when the rear adjuster is cinched up:p)
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  22. SteG

    SteG Ultralighter

    I'm sorry to hear that Rob. I thought it was poor too when they asked me for proof, as I've just had item replaced by sea to summit who just asked where did you buy it ( eBay seller) . There is numerous stories of other companies really wanting to help you keep your gear going no quibbles.

    A brand like ours wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for its customers. Our environmental credentials, too, mean nothing without our customers’ actions. We rely on people like you.
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  23. RobH

    RobH Trail Blazer

    Well if they cant stand behind a jacket costing £400 with not signs or wear or damage I for one will not be standing behind them. This customers actions will be to give Mountain Equipment a body swerve in the future.
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  24. HillBelly

    HillBelly Section Hiker

    How long have you had it. You could contact the shop were it was bought see if they can help. Many ME stockists are quite good, and they might send it back on your behalf?
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  25. Padstowe

    Padstowe Thru Hiker

    Only just seen this. I have a lhotse jacket. Can't remember when I got it was the first gen with the napoleon style pocket so 4 or 5 yrs old?
    I seldom wear it only in really heavy winter days. I don't think it's a great jacket, haven't noticed any peeling of the seam tape but it does wet out pretty quickly on me.
    I got mine at the time for somewhere around £170 on sale, I don't think it's worth the price tag it has.
    I would rate it as only slightly better than the berghaus pro trek, pro shell jacket I used to use & don't think I'll be buying a gore pro jacket again.

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