Needlessly light ?

Discussion in 'Gear Chat' started by murpharoo, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. murpharoo

    murpharoo Section Hiker

    On my recent trip I got to thinking....

    While cooking dinner for myself and my daughter I was using a gas stove. I normally use esbit but the gas was fast and clean and... easy. The esbit is slow, a bit taffy and messy but... so light :o o:

    I was carrying a quilt a (250g) and a sleeping bag (198g) along with a super light tent (487g) for myself and my daughter. She didn't care how light the gear was. I decided to go so light as I was carrying for 2 and the conditions looked favourable but would we have been more comfortable in a double skin shelter especially as we weren't doing big miles.

    Sometimes I'm guilty of going too light - occasionally convenience is worth the extra weight. I'm not talking "stupid light" just "comfortable light".

    Don't get me wrong I'm sure to stick with esbit tabs and cuben tarps and 200g sleeping bags but I'm occasionally drawn to the luxury (dark) side :muted:

    Hopefully normal service will resume and I can still be a Trek-Lite member....
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  2. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I'm fully with you on this. When I'm not solo, the ease of using the windburner with its pot and skillet is hard to ignore.
    Solo yes... Alcohol or esbit... I only usually cook or have a hot drink once to twice a day. Very very rarely mid-trek, so time and faff unless I'm cold, isn't a factor.

    The trouble starts when I think... Hmmmm gas cooking comfort... I'll use the exped, more comforts.. Then my base starts to go through the roof :muted:
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  3. Stu Sibley

    Stu Sibley Summit Camper

    which 250g quilt?! that's very light!

    my luxury item has to be a decent pillow, can't do without it
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  4. murpharoo

    murpharoo Section Hiker

    Nunatak Arc AT half bag - or a full quilt for an 8 year old ;)
    And a PHD baseless elite racer bag.

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  5. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Section Hiker

    Yep, I'm with you on the pillow, that's 100g that makes a massive difference to my sleep comfort and hence all day comfort too.
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  6. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Oooooo racer elite bag.... :lurking:
  7. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    I think it depends on what you're doing

    For me, i'm not worried about what anyone else is carrying or how my weight compares
    It's interesting to compare as it often gives an insight into what options i have, but as a willy measuring contest i'm too old to be bothered about that

    That's why i calculate full loaded weight with water and food, anything else like base weight is useless to me

    Last few years i'm happy with my gear, as i don't do snow i use the same kit for all my hiking now, just my clothing that changes to suit

    Only thing i would have added after the lakes trip was my chair, was kicking myself that i didn't take it
    So a bit of extra weight to offset more comfort is understandable

    For me and my lack of fitness/injuries much over 10kg and hiking starts to become more of a slog and less enjoyable
    If i was fitter i think i'd just stick with a scarp1 and take a chair every trip

    Always a balance
    If you're fit can do the mileage you want to achieve over the terrain you hike, with the extra weight then i don't understand why you wouldn't want more comfort
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  8. murpharoo

    murpharoo Section Hiker

    @gixer I fully agree with your sentiments hence my sitting and thinking at camp and this post.
    For me I sadly almost think it's a game...lighter, lighter, lighter. I'm not that sure about the "game" now. Just being out there and sharing it with my daughter is special and I want to make sure she is comfortable. The "game" should wait til I'm on my own :oops:
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  9. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Well put :thumbsup:
  10. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    Despite preparing for ages I ended up packing in a hurry and my base weight is now 6.5 more or less, can’t remember if that includes coffee etc. I ended up taking the xmid and an insulated mat, which were heavier choices- and a chair! With loads of emergency food it’s all feeling too much for comfort, for me. Wondering what to ditch. I’m on my way to luchon right now. Cheese will be added. No pillow this time, some discipline prevails.
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  11. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    My summer base weight got down to 4.8kg...I'm now back up to around 5.5kg (though easy to strip down to 5.1kg)

    Lighter tents have gone, I'm far happier with a Phreeranger and a couple of hundred grams. A few luxury items.

    I pay more attention in winter when the weight creeps and would do if doing multi days of miles.

    The game isnt quite over, but no longer an obsession for me.
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  12. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Only yesterday... I cut the mesh and cotton liner from my best running shorts, as I wear them for hiking alot. ... To save 107g.... Ruined them... Still good... But I'm very regretful :eggonface:
  13. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I'd love to go lighter as at 55Kg I'm kinda lightweight myself. Carrying a pack of 10Kg is approaching 20% of my body weight :(.

    But old bones need a certain level of "molly coddling" to keep them working - unless someone starts inventing some even lighter ways to keep comfy - I'm stuck where I am at now …..
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  14. Baldy

    Baldy Thru Hiker

    I've taken it to the extreme. I don't go anywhere.
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  15. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    I try to save weight constantly, it's a never ending challenge.
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    Recently, I've decided to drink even more coffee in the hills and take no windshield, therefore saving weight in gas and coffee.

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    My cup stand is bit heavy though, might need to work on that a bit.
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  16. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    With my kids a 200g bag would last till my daughter's first tantrum, then it would be just down blowing away....
    Def gas for me with kids, even with my Mrs. So quick and easy, and the milages are negligible so no worries carrying the extra weight.
    Tempted to make a sewn thru uberlite bag like yours though, pretty simple project.
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  17. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Teepee are you drinking espresso coffee unfiltered? I've taken to doing that, given a sec to settle it works for me, though I go for the gold Lavazza. Lugging a stove top espresso maker for Anna ATM though.
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  18. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    I think 5.5 is where I was last summer. 150g Heavier tent, 79g extra mat, bigger cookpot, and seduced by the wildo foldacup instead of my reflextix covered 17g yoghurt pot. probably my biggest error. Carry less food, eat less, probably.
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  19. fluffkitten

    fluffkitten Thru Hiker

    I've come to the conclusion that if I pack what I need to enjoy my time out and I can comfortably carry it then I'm doing ok. Given my lack of health and fitness lighter is, within reason, a little better.
  20. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    Yes, bud. Filters suck to pack and deal with and there is no need for them. I've been doing it like this for years. 4 mins for the Lavazza to drop to the bottom after a stir at the start and then after 2 mins. It's the quickest I've brewed with and has the best flavour, most take around 5.
    I think it's because it's finer ground and the flavour gets out before the water cools too much.
  21. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    i find a few drops of cold water, sprinkled over the surface , helps to settle the grinds...and i've started to use the clear msr cup . that helps filter a few bits out and i can see as i'm getting near to the slurry
  22. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I think espresso coffee being so fine ground is pretty inoffensive if you do drink some.
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  23. Lamont-Cranston

    Lamont-Cranston Ultralighter

    I'm enjoying reading everyones thoughts around this. Can I ask are you all using the same definition of baseweight as total weight of all items minus food, fuel and water weight?
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  24. Davy

    Davy Section Hiker

    I've found I'm fit enough at the moment to happily lug approx 10kg (wet with food) over summits all day long. What was a drag in Mallorca at Easter was the effect of a wet shelter and wet pack - really noticeable added weight which started to pull on shoulders after a couple of days.

    My boys carried their own bag and mat on our family jollies, I've still to drag them from their screens this year on a hiking trip.

    From what I can see, (MYOG excluded) at its crudest, the essence of the 'game' just involves shelling out a couple of £k on high performance kit and some basic camping skills. I get out so infrequently I can't justify playing... :(
  25. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Section Hiker

    I knock off the basic clothes I'm wearing as well. By base weight, I want to have the weight of the pack I'm carrying, less the fuel/food/water consumables. If I'm wearing underwear/trousers/boots/shirt etc, I don't consider that part of carried weight. All up weight is the base weight plus consumables. At least that's how I do it.
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