Pyrenees 2019

Discussion in 'Places & Planning' started by Mox, Dec 23, 2018.

  1. tom

    tom Thru Hiker

    IMG_20190413_115116~01.jpg Carlit from the Balmette Cabana yesterday
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  2. Mox

    Mox Backpacker

    Nice pic, however, it's got all this white stuff in, more green please! And then may it stay green until at least mid Sep. :)
  3. alex_roddie

    alex_roddie Summit Camper

    Well, I'll be heading to the Pyrenees this summer for an attempted HRP, beginning July the 15th. Planning has begun! Hoping most of the snow has gone by then, although I'm not sure if I can get away without carrying axe and spikes…
  4. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    HRP in 14 days!

    I like the quote at the end "I'm glad it's over".
    After much slower outings I'm usually in the exact opposite camp.
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  5. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    :rolleyes:

    Nuts (imo)


    Why rush such a beautiful thing ??

    :confuseded:
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  6. alex_roddie

    alex_roddie Summit Camper

    Nuts!

    How are things shaping up in the Pyrenees, snow wise? Is it still looking like an average or even low snow year?
  7. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    From ski centre reports it would seen that despite a bit of spring snowfall the overall snowpack is currently half (or less) than the last couple of years.
    I wouldn't have an concerns over a mid-July start...……….you'll be finished by the end of the month ;)
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  8. alex_roddie

    alex_roddie Summit Camper

    Thanks, that's good to hear! Still debating whether or not to pack Microspikes and axe…
  9. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I'd say it depends on how confident you are with trainers on snow......saw two swedes in trainers running down slopes I had micro-spikes on for:eek:
    If my plans for this year include crossing any of the higher cols I'll be packing my Vargo cleats but I'll probably leave the Corsa axe at home.
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  10. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Dr Mr @Whiteburn

    I understand you recently did a reverse write, of your already very helpful HRP guide.

    Would it be possible to get a copy somehow?

    We usually do a kind of loopy, or double backing route there, so having an either way description would be really useful.

    Thank you :)
  11. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    In the process of reading though it again for the 3rd or is it 4th time trying to pick out spelling, dyslectic fingers etc. will get it out in a couple of weeks.
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  12. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Don't mind giving it a scan, if that helps.

    Despite the impression I may sometimes convey here, I am fairly literate
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  13. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Let me persevere a while....
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  14. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Sure, just wondering if it would help :thumbsup:
  15. alex_roddie

    alex_roddie Summit Camper

    Good advice, thanks!
  16. island

    island Summit Camper

    Hi, I didn't know there was an HRP guide by @Whiteburn ... Could someone point me to where it is available please (I had a look but didn't find it). Is it a book or a thread on this site? Many thanks, Ed
  17. island

    island Summit Camper

    Additionally... I have several paper maps of various sections on the French and Spanish side that I have gathered over the years but I am planning a 6 week traverse (HRP where possible).
    Any advice on mapping?
    I have always used paper maps but for something like this I guess an app is better.

    I looked at the guthook apps but they don't do the Pyrenees.

    I downloaded Gaia GPS to get a feel for it on the free version. It looks like you can pay and then download the IGN or the Editorial Alpina maps.
    Is it better to find someone's GPS trail and import it to give a basic route to work off? Can you import multiple routes?
    Or is that not the way to do it?!

    I looked at some videos on the Inreach Mini. Is this a good routing tool or more peace of mind?

    When I've been with French friends we used the Topoguides. Good maps and routes with written instructions.
    I bought the new Cicerone HRP book but that was more to get a feel for routes and possibly buy it on Kindle to have on my phone.

    Any advice on a good strategy for maps and route planning?
    Thanks,
    Ed
  18. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    I found the viewranger Pyrenees map (it covers both sides of the border) more than adequate. I think it depends what phone you use as some of the apps are not available on iPhone but viewranger is. Then I downloaded a gpx route into viewranger.

    I’m guessing the cicerone guide offers a gpx route to download. I think @Whiteburn does too.
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  19. oreocereus

    oreocereus Section Hiker

    I planned an HRP crossing last year, but suffered a lot of knee troubles that stopped me before I really started.

    Gaia is useful as you can download different layers to toggle between. The IGN maps are good on the french side, but won't cover all of the "standard" HRP routes on the Spanish side. There are Spanish maps on Gaia as well, so you can toggle between them as needed.

    If there's a specific GPS route you want to follow, sure import it - but half the fun of something like the HRP is creating your own route, no?

    You can import multiple routes in Gaia and toggle them on/off.

    I believe Gaia does a free one month trial. Additionally there are apps with free IGN maps for limited times. I don't recall if there are Spanish apps.



    Personally, using mobile phone for navigation took a lot of the fun out of things. A lot more planning tech stuff, and less planning actual adventure. And I discovered my phone has a tendency to shut off in colder or damp conditions - typically when I need it most.
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  20. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Rev 1 (with gpx & kml files): HRP Pocket Guide Rev 1

    I've got a copy of the latest revision of the Cicerone HRP guide by Tom Martens & at first perusal I reckon he's done a good at improving on the Joosten edition: maps & some of the poor translation/ English grammar have been improved....still a few language idiosyncrasies IMO e.g. "primitive shelters for hunters" = shooting butts, "place for gathering sheep" = sheep pen, etc. The guide weighs in at nearly 400g so I wouldn't carry it. The main divergence from the previous edition is a new route from Pla de Boet (Refugi de Vall Ferrera) to El Serrat via Port de Boet & Port de Rat, one of the Veron variants, I reckon its about 1/2 day short than previous route.
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2019
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  21. Mox

    Mox Backpacker

  22. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Brilliant.

    Thank you Mr Whiteburn - your labour of love is much appreciated.:)


    Yes, Cicerone guidebook might be OK for a read through beforehand, but much too heavy to carry :angelic:

    Can print out your offerings double sided and save a lot of weight :geek:
  23. oreocereus

    oreocereus Section Hiker

    I have the previous cicerone book if you'd like me to send it to you? Otherwise they're usually in libraries (at least here), but I imagine the new Martens one won't be for a while.
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  24. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Thanks but I've got it & the quite rare English Veron guide.
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  25. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Thank you.
    Which edition is it?

    Have one here but it might be a bit out of date now.

    Mr Whiteburns original guide has proved really useful in previous years.

    I may have got a little over excited, just now, and be thinking he's published the reverse recount already...

    But perhaps this is still the original?

    Whichever, no pressure (no one likes that) it's not (or shouldn't be) beyond the wit of
    woman or man to use it in reverse.

    Still v good quality stuff. :thumbsup:

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