Qulits for 3 Season - US or EU??

Discussion in 'Sleeping Bags & Quilts' started by mattpitts74, Jul 15, 2019.

  1. mattpitts74

    mattpitts74 Summit Camper

    Hi Guys,

    After a recent trip, I'd like to lighten my rucksack a bit more as I ended up carrying a big warm down bag when it wasn't really needed.

    So looking at quilts. I initially thought that I would have to import one from the US, as they seem to produce some decent quality products. But see that there are several EU supplies now.

    My question is I would like something suitable for use from spring to autumn?

    So I narrowed down to Cumulus, I think, unless anyone can convince me otherwise.

    It's just a question of deciding between 250 or 350 - wide or regular.

    I'm totally prepared to wear clothing with a quilt, if necessary.

    I always find this forum so valuable as people are able to share their own experiences. Thanks
  2. Bob-W

    Bob-W Summit Camper

    I longed for, nay lusted, after an Enlightened Equipment quilt, even going so far as to go through all the customisation and add it to my basket. I had the mouse pointer hovering over the "Buy" button for an hour or so:giggle: In the end I decided against it, partly because of import duties pushing the price up and partly because I didn't really need it.

    I've only got experience of Cumulus, I've a 150 quilt and my wife has the 350, both are the older closed footbox version. The newer versions (2018 onwards) are wider and no longer have a closed footbox but are closer in shape and design to those from EE and other American suppliers. For summer to early autumn use I'm fine with the 150 but I'm a warm sleeper, at the moment even the 150 would be too warm for me! My wife uses the 350 mostly in the cooler months. I don't think their quoted ratings are too far off. I contacted Cumulus about the width and shape:

    They responded:
    It's worth wearing a thin base layer with a quilt as you'll be lying directly on your mat and depending on you and the material the mat is made from it can get a bit uncomfortable with bare skin against it.

    It used to be that you had to buy Cumulus quilts from a European supplier as Cumulus supplied their sleeping bags but not their quilts to a UK distributor under the Criterion brand. This changed a couple of years ago and there's at least one UK based supplier - https://backcountry.scot/ in Aviemore (just checked and he's out of stock of the quilts).
  3. mattpitts74

    mattpitts74 Summit Camper

    Thanks @Bob-W that's useful info, I've occasionally used my bag a bit like a quilt and it's definitely nicer not to lye directly on a mat with bare skin.

    It looks like it's possible to buy directly from the Cumulus online for UK, is that correct?? I know it wasn't the case a few years ago.
  4. Charlie83

    Charlie83 Ultralighter

    Same as Bob-W lost count of the amount of times I built my perfect quilt on EE site, same reasons I couldn't be bothered in the end to.

    I learned about Cumulus on here, got In touch with them and haven't looked back, excellent service, price and quality imo
  5. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    No problems in buying direct......I've the older version of the 250....favourite piece of kit probably gets used May to Oct in Scotland.
    Comfort temp quoted is good for me; with thin base layer, fleece & Blackrock beanie about -2 or -3C is OK
  6. mattpitts74

    mattpitts74 Summit Camper

    @Whiteburn, Great thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know.
  7. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Just remember the head gear...….appropriate for temp (buff, wool beanie, down beanie).
    Aliexpress has some really cheap down hats for around $10
  8. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Should have stated that my experience (temps) with the 250 are based on using an X-lite.
  9. Foxster

    Foxster Ultralighter

    After reading all the rave reviews from thru-hikers and others I tried a quilt. Nope. Didn't like it. It was cold and draughty. Went happily back to my bag.

    So I'd recommend you beg, steal or borrow one to try before spending a lot of money.
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2019
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  10. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I took my cumulus 150 this weekend. In the end Iit was warm enough I slept without it. If I had a winter bag already I'd get the 250 and add a jacket on colder nights. I use a 400g quilt for colder months so the 150 is ideal for this time of year.
  11. Fabian.

    Fabian. Hiker

    I often use my Cumulus 450 Quilt (new version) and I am totally satisfied.
    In your case, I would go with the 350 Version. 100g extra weight are nowhere as good spend as in a quilt.
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  12. dovidola

    dovidola Thru Hiker

    Cumulus is good. My Quantum 350 sleeping bag must be over a dozen years old now, and it's all I've used during that time, mainly in unzipped mode, in effect a wide quilt. If/when it eventually dies I won't hesitate in going for a 'proper' quilt.
    Recently bought a Therm-a-Rest Apex Blanket (synthetic) as a lighter alternative for warm weather use and trialled it in Wales last week - liked it a lot. I reckon it's good for me down to 10C together with standard NeoAir and merino base layer (including the long bottoms - I too don't like plastic next to bare skin).
  13. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Never a truer word!
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  14. qy_

    qy_ Summit Camper

    I have one EE and one Cumulus quilt. If I buy another quilt it will probably be an Cumulus. If I want to spend more money I would upgrade first the down, and if I have even more money laying around, then the shell.

    Cumulus also have the big advantage that it has an EN based rating that is much easier to relate to. I ended up filling down to my EE quilt due to the optimistic EE rating (thouh they fill the bags with a bit more down now).
  15. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

  16. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

  17. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    @Enzo what is her opinion of it?
  18. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    She likes it.
    She found the Vango venom 600 I had lent her too constrictive and the aegismax can be just zipped up partially like a quilt or opened out as a spread so she can move about. Can't give any idea as to temp ratings as its been so warm.
  19. dovidola

    dovidola Thru Hiker

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  20. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    If it's baffled and has a shell weight of less than 200g then I'd say its pretty cutting edge.

    800us fp is all that lets it down.

    Cumulus 350 quilt would prob be warmer at 250e and 600g
  21. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    TBH I think I'd go for the cheaper one. 60g more but with more robust shell fabric. The one you're linking to here has 7D Nylon outer and 10D inner. The one I was looking at is 20D both sides. They both have the same fill weight.

    On paper they both look to be bargains.
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  22. dovidola

    dovidola Thru Hiker

    I daresay you're right, although the cheaper one is duck down, and the dearer one goose, 700FP versus 800FP, 360g of down in each (yet the same temperature rating!), 615g vs 554g weight (in the Medium size). On paper, as you say, it seems like a no-brainer, but I suspect they've got those temperature ratings confused.
  23. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I've only seen the white aegismax poncho quilt use 850 goose down.
    I used Chinese 850fp in my winter bag. It's ok, but lightyears away from the Polish 850fp EU my 3 season quilt uses.
    If it were me I'd be happy spending up to a ton on aegismax gear at ~800fp but much more than that and your getting too close to cumulus money and a big step up in down quality.

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