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The Cumbrian

Section Hiker
A new freestanding tent from Zpacks. Exactly what I'm looking for, but just a bit too small.

 

Johnny3000

Section Hiker
A new freestanding tent from Zpacks. Exactly what I'm looking for, but just a bit too small.

What a "beauty"! :rolleyes:

Reminds me of the structure we pitched over the strawberries in our garden lasts spring.
 
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WildAboutWalking

Thru Hiker
A new freestanding tent from Zpacks. Exactly what I'm looking for, but just a bit too small.

The engineer in me doesn't like the look of that discontinuous pole structure.
 

JimH

Section Hiker
The engineer in me doesn't like the look of that discontinuous pole structure.
it's a bit "unusual", effectively the two roof panels are domes, I think the ridge (where it hinges) will bob up and down in the wind, but I can't imagine how it'll flex front to back, but it might be good.

I didn't want to mention patents, but I bet there are a few for this design ☹️
 

JimH

Section Hiker
but why break the pole if it still adds up to a full set of dome... but doesnt do anything for wind resistance
maybe the two smaller domes would stress the fabric less than a larger dome and be easier to make with a flat panel of DCF?
 

Johnny3000

Section Hiker
You could probably use vertical trekking poles to make it sturdier, but they'd be in front of the entrances. The vestibule looks kind of small for cooking.
 

fluffkitten

Moderator
Staff member
A new freestanding tent from Zpacks. Exactly what I'm looking for, but just a bit too small.


Kind of interesting, but $899 USD? Ouch!
 

Roux

Backpacker
A new freestanding tent from Zpacks. Exactly what I'm looking for, but just a bit too small.

I don't understand something, or is the main purpose of using a freestanding tent - an inconvenient ground for fixing stakes and proper stretching the tent?
Usually, the bonus of such conditions is not the most comfortable weather, both in terms of wind and humidity.

Structurally, this "thing" does not look like something that can perform well in bad weather conditions.
 

echo8876

Thru Hiker
I don't understand something, or is the main purpose of using a freestanding tent - an inconvenient ground for fixing stakes and proper stretching the tent?
Usually, the bonus of such conditions is not the most comfortable weather, both in terms of wind and humidity.

Structurally, this "thing" does not look like something that can perform well in bad weather conditions.
It's an american tent. They don't have to deal with that stuff at west coast during thru season, rains are mild, squalls are short. Duplex is the most american of them all, in general.
 

OwenM

Thru Hiker
It's an american tent. They don't have to deal with that stuff at west coast during thru season, rains are mild, squalls are short. Duplex is the most american of them all, in general.
Wouldn't say that's my experience, I've only been to the Windrivers, Wyoming. Only had rain three times in three weeks but when it did rain it really hammered down in dramatic thunderstorms. The longest storm lasted most of the afternoon - night.

With inner pitch first you can get a much tigher tent so less likely to flap in the wind. They're easier to pitch just the inner. So, you can have somewhere to get away from the bugs and or Sun.
 
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Norrland

Thru Hiker
Wouldn't say that's my experience, I've only been to the Windrivers, Wyoming. Only had rain three times in three weeks but when it did rain it really hammered down in dramatic thunderstorms. The longest storm lasted most of the afternoon - night.

With inner pitch first you can get a much tigher tent so less likely to flap in the wind. They're easier to pitch just the inner. So, you can have somewhere to get away from the bugs and or Sun.
Issue with most inner pitch first tents is that the fly constantly rubs directly on the poles which will eventually weaken the fabric. Especially if you have it pulled tight. Pole sleeves (or clips) are far superior as they directly support the fabric, for stability and longevity.
 

OwenM

Thru Hiker
True, there are pro's and con's for every design. What suits one won't suit another.

Should say I've four tents three backpacking type tents which all go up inner and fly together. The other car camping tent is outer first. In the past I use a wintergear blizzard (like a quasar) and managed perfectly well in the wet and windy UK and Norway.
 
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maddogs

Ultralighter
Wouldn't say that's my experience, I've only been to the Windrivers, Wyoming. Only had rain three times in three weeks but when it did rain it really hammered down in dramatic thunderstorms. The longest storm lasted most of the afternoon - night.

With inner pitch first you can get a much tigher tent so less likely to flap in the wind. They're easier to pitch just the inner. So, you can have somewhere to get away from the bugs and or Sun.
I've spent a fair bit of time in a tent in the Western US (Winds, Sierra, Rockies, Utah etc). The weather seems to be a bit all-or-nothing. When it rains it really rains. When its windy its very windy. Most often it's hot and sunny. My experience is that western US folks tend towards having the expectation of "fair weather" in the summer backpacking season and there is a strong preference for camping below the treeline in sheltered spots. Thus 90% of the time such shelters are perfectly adequate for their expected use.

What amazes me is the use of these superlight shelters e.g. Duplex in Scotland where wind-blown rain or snow is (in my experience) to be expected most of the time. I don't use our Stratospire Li there, even though it's pretty solid in the wind, because the fly can't reach the ground so rain gets in under the vestibules and in through the peak vents. But there's a wide spectrum of comfort level and expereince out there; hats off to those who make these things work for them!
 
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