Shelter News - a thread for new shelter talk

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by theoctagon, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. tallest of pauls

    tallest of pauls Ultralighter

    They could offer two sizes if that's the case.

    I don't believe making two models would be a ballache for these companies, they certainly have enough variations on a theme going on right now.
  2. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    Aeon Li 2020 is live.

    Updated for 2020
    • Two way #3 YKK waterproof vestibule zippers for enhanced strength and ventilation
    USA made Dyneema® fabrics for the ultimate in strength and weight savings

    Looks like the zip added about 40-50g.
  3. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    Last edited: Jun 20, 2020
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  4. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    "Two way #3 YKK waterproof vestibule zippers for enhanced strength..."
    Interesting. I would have thought #5 zippers would give enhanced strength?
  5. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    The Scarp has #5 zippers. I wonder what the weight difference is. I can understand #3 zippers on DCF tents where weight is the primary concern but not quite so critical on silnylon.
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  6. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I quite agree, and with 0.51oz/sqyd DCF, TT are clearly going for minimum weight rather than maximum strength. Whether #3 are strong enough, I don't know* (if so, why use #5 on the Scarp?) but it is strange to use them and say they are "for enhanced strength".

    *After a bit of research and advice, I went for #5 on my custom tent.
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  7. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    I can only speculate, but it could be it's because Scarp isn't DCF and enhanced strength is for wind resistance... zips to keep the doors together vs just the hook on the bottom.
  8. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Approximately 13g/m more for #5 over #3.
  9. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Actually, with a little more thought I can see a logic for #3 on the DCF and #5 on the silnylon; a DCF tent will have a much shorter life span so maybe the DCF will fail before the #3 zipper but a #3 zipper would fail before the silnylon.
    I still don't see "enhanced strength" though, unless they mean compared to the old version.
  10. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    1.7% weight gain on the Notch. TBF, the Scarp is almost twice as heavy. Personally I’d be happy to have a heavier zip. The original idea for the non-zip door was to avoid failures on long thru hikes, I believe.
  11. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    IMO zips are always the weak point on the fly of any tent & the older the zippers become the weaker they get (function wear).
    I agree with the logic of @WilliamC in this regard; balance of strength Vs weight, shelter life on DCF to Silnylon.
    Being borderline OCD I always like to look at 'what if the zip fails' scenario with all tents......bound to happen in the most inconvenient time.
    The double hook gadgets or a buckle seems like a necessary wise precaution IMO on all tents. On my custom Saor (winter tent) I went for a #8 zip & there's a 12mm buckle across the open end & I must to admit contemplating adding some grosgrain loops either side of the zipper so that it could be tied closed in an emergency
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  12. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    The possibility of failure and relieving strain is why I added a buckle on my X-Mid.
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  13. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Scarp is often quoted as a tent good for poor/windy conditions. TT must know this therefore heavier zip is imperative.
    And by the same thinking Notch is considered a fair weather tent (IMHO) => less robust zip will be OK ??
  14. Peterbob67

    Peterbob67 Summit Camper

    I'm interested to know how many people have actually had a zip fail on a tent? I'm genuinely interested, I don't know if zip failure is a perceived issue or a real one, although I've no doubt the zip is the weakest point on a tent! I've had one fail on a Hilleberg of all tents, but I though it was a crap design where it kept getting caught in the 'collar' (not sure how else to describe it) leading to failure, not caused by the wind.
  15. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Me too; one failed on my Unna!
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  16. lakeshore

    lakeshore Trail Blazer

    I have A TT Notch and lost the zip slider in the middle of nowhere, fortunately I was in warm climes. Henry Shires sent me a few sliders free of charge.
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  17. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    Some people oil zips. I don't because it just makes grit partlicles stick to it. I do brush zips to clean them though. Less grit, less wear, longer life.
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  18. Dave V

    Dave V Moderator Staff Member

    I was asked to replace a zip on a Duomid last year. I declined as the shelter itself had seen better days and the Cuben where the zip attached was in less than ideal condition. The zip had failed due to folding from what I could see. There were quite defined fold lines in the cuben and the zip had clearly been folded/bent.
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  19. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I've replaced 2 zips on the DofE Vango Banshee's....could be down to user error though.
    Also had to replace a zip on a North Face tent, can't remember the model.......zipper teeth kept parting even after replacing the slider.
  20. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    2020 version, with zips.

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  21. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    One for @Shewie in case you haven't seen it yet

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  22. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

    1.48 handle up! Nice. Wonder how much angle you could get?
    Looks the strut adds some stability against sliding/drifting.
  23. Padstowe

    Padstowe Thru Hiker

    The way he folds over the zips & then rolls, is that the right way?
    I fold length ways of the zips then roll the zip, thought the roll would be better that a fold, am I wrong?
  24. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I've never even considered zip alignment when folding/stuffing a tent.
    Or stuffing a sleeping bag...

    Does it matter?

    I like the look of the zipped door on the Aeon.
    And that it's been sensibly brought back for the Notch.
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  25. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I've often wondered about the best way of dealing with the zips on the Dirigo partly because their water resistant ones and so stiffer and partly because they cover the inner so a failure would be drastic. I try to avoid folding them as it seems it would stress them more. However, on the Swiftline which is silnylon, I just stuff the tent.
    Many years ago I read in an article, not outdoor related, that zips should always be zipped up for packing up as it was less likely to lead to failure. I wonder how true this is and whether there's a difference between toothed and coil zips.
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