Shelter News - a thread for new shelter talk

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by theoctagon, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    They really aren't that small though.
    I suppose the newer "hex" shaped inners do impinge a little on the porch space.

    But how much porch space does one need?
    The average Hilleberg (single porch, non GT models) doesn't have any more total porch area really?

    The XMid inner is very narrow for the real estate the whole thing takes up?
    I have had one for a year, but have only used it 8 nights so far. I like it, but feel it's nicer just as a tarp. But so is the Notch. Not getting rid of the Notch though as reckon it faster to pitch, smaller footprint, and more windworthy.
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  2. oreocereus

    oreocereus Thru Hiker

    I feel the xmid design excels more as a 2p tent. Don’t really need two large vestibules for a single 3 season tent but the shape dictates it. It’s heavier and with a larger footprint than ideal. Solo camping I value a small footprint. The notch has always appealed. And simple a frames are hard to beat (Yama cirriform, tt stealth) for footprint, stability and volume above the sleeping area.
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  3. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I've had a Notch for years and now the Li too; it's a fine shelter, as Mole says, pitches fast.
    Have an X-Mid as well - for me it's kind of a 'winter/shoulder-season Notch'...

    But now I have the Strat Li....

    Life's tough... decisions are hard :D
  4. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Given the footprint of the XMid 1p, I couldn't see ourselves getting a 2p over another stratospire (2 or even a li) when our current one dies.

    On the Pembrokeshire Coast Path, we took my Notch and my X mid. We camped out on cliffs and headlands late each day .
    Quite often an evening's exchange was "there's definitely room for the Notch to pitch here, but maybe not for the XMid"...
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  5. oreocereus

    oreocereus Thru Hiker

    Is that simply because there’s more room for gear in vestibules Ed? I’d have thought the solid interior and potentially more stable shape of the notch preferable.
  6. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Yeah, more room - the Notch is an overnight coffin...well, it's OK space wise, yet a bit more wriggle room for 16 hours of dark is nice.
    I generally walk, pitch, sleep, and don't hang around the tent... in winter though..
    I'm more likely to use my Hex and 3/4 inner this winter than anything else though...
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  7. oreocereus

    oreocereus Thru Hiker

    The large footprint is inherent in the style of design of the strat and xmid type tents.

    It’s certainly large but not as unwieldy as expected from a few reviews - certainly didn’t think it was noticeably different from the strat, but it was a year since we borrowed yours and setting up the xmid.

    Dans diagram comparing the footprints makes them seem pretty comparable.

    https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_c...=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=796&h=425&dpr=1&q=70

    In any case I value the livable space in a shelter for two over small footprint. If I was concerned about footprint I’d go with a non trekking pole tent (the Double rainbow was excellent for footprint).

    I don’t have a strong preference for the xmid or strat, both have positive trade offs I like. Ultimately the xmid was simply more affordable as a strat 2 didn’t come up second hand at a reasonable price and an Xmid 2 did. The fact it’s slightly lighter and slightly easier to pack is nice.
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  8. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    It's a little misleading to compare pure square footage though . The large rectangular shape of the Xmid2p I have doubts about for marginal space pitches.

    With the Strat , you only really need to find space to pitch the smaller rectangular shape made by where the inner is attached. The doors/porch corners are much more forgiving to varied terrain.
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  9. oreocereus

    oreocereus Thru Hiker

    Yeah you may be right - i don’t have enough experience pitching the strat to say either way. The xmid certainly relies on having a “good” rectangle staked out to get a good pitch. It’d be nice to see a physical side by side sometime.
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  10. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    IMO there's no 'perfect' shelter that caters for all circumstances & for all people, each has there own advantages & disadvantages depending upon size, geometry, design, materials, etc.
    I'd personally hate to be storm bound for a day (or 2) in a Laser coffin conversely trying to find a pitch for a Supermid in dense forest would be a challenge......the art is knowing the shelters' limitations & living with it.
  11. oreocereus

    oreocereus Thru Hiker

    Yep. Really in the open landscapes of the British isles I camp in here I’m fine with a larger footprint.

    I don’t particularly like it in the steeper alpine climates on the continent, but it’s been generally manageable.

    A large footprint is more of a problem where I hiked and camped in New Zealand with very dense forests and generally very steep alpine areas when above the treeline. I’ve spent upward of 4 hours finding enough space in a forest in NZ to pitch a 1person a-frame and barely squeezed in (I thought a lot about hammocks that day) and have never had that significant problem in the UK or Ireland.
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  12. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Scotland is wide open. The terrain/vegetation can be such that you can walk miles on a route looking for even a solo pitch sometimes.
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  13. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I'm selling both my Strat 2 and Strat 1 when I get back.
    I need too claw back some of the investment in DCF :D
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  14. Robert P

    Robert P Ultralighter

    I have both Notch and X-Mid and think both are outstanding (the Notch being my go-to tent before getting the X-Mid). I agree with Mole re the Notch being faster to pitch (very forgiving, whereas it is important to get a precise rectangle with the X-Mid), smaller footprint, and potentially more windworthy. But for the latter, the pitchlock ends take a lot of strain - I've had one let go and often had to use Blizzard stakes, and the wind can get under the outer more easily than the X-Mid. The X-Mid does flap a bit and you don't want a broadside wind, but I've never felt that the pegs are going too let go
    I have both Notch and X-Mid and think both are outstanding (the Notch being my go-to tent before getting the X-Mid). I agree re the Notch being faster to pitch (very forgiving, whereas it is important to get a precise rectangle with the X-Mid), smaller footprint, and potentially more windworthy. But for the latter, the pitchlock ends take a lot of strain - I've had one let go and often had to use Blizzard stakes, and the wind can get under the outer more easily than the X-Mid. The X-Mid does flap a bit and you don't want a broadside wind, but I've never felt that the pegs are going to let go. I agree the X-Mid inner does seem disproportionately small vs the overall enclosed area, but the inner space is not too different vs the Notch. I was used to a Laserlite / Photon before these and tend to pitch late and leave early so my expectations / needs for internal space are probably not high! I wonder if I had the experience of, say, a Stratospire Li I would ever want to go back to something smaller. The real estate needed for the X-Mid has not been an issue - yet! After using the X-Mid for a year I went back to the Notch for one trip and decided I definitely preferred the X-Mid. But its difficult to rationalise and just minor personal preferences / priorities: the offset poles make entry easier, the large porch is nice and the low pitching outer keeps out the wind.
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  15. Robert P

    Robert P Ultralighter

    Something odd happened with duplicate reply above...
  16. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    It's a conspiracy
    It's a conspiracy
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  17. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    Unless I missed something, looks like Strats are updated for 2020.

    Strat 1

    Screenshot 2020-09-21 at 09.34.52.jpg

    Strat 2

    Screenshot 2020-09-21 at 09.35.06.jpg
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  18. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    This is a report from r/ultralight

    4 season version 17.1 oz- $250 + $15 shipping

    3 season version 15.1 oz - $225 + $15 shipping

    I have been working on this ultralight 4 season tent design idea since February when a hiker first contacting me to build her a ultralight 1 person bivy tent for solo Himalaya trek spanning many months. I posted the first version on reddit few months back. The community here was incredibly supportive and early orders helped me continue with developing the new version 2.0. A shout out to all those awesome people - Thank you!

    New Features

    • Fast setup with 2 stakes, 2 carbon fiber rods & 2 trekking poles and interior stays dry during setup.
    • Vestibule has space for backpack, boots and cooking.
    • Fully bugproof, waterproof bath tub floor. Seam sealed.
    • Strong stable design pyramid design with catenary curves for handling wind and moderate snow loads
    • Can be used in bivy mode without poles.
    • 3 mesh vents for cross ventilation (foot end, door & peak)
    • Condensation curtain keep the tent dry in cold, wet weather. (4 season only)
    • Zip closure for foot end mesh opening. (4 season only)
    Weight:

    • Tent -15oz (4 season) / 13oz (3 season)
    • stuff sack - 0.2 oz
    • 2 x Carbon fiber rods - 1.1 oz
    • 2 x Stakes - 0.6 oz
    Floor Dimensions:

    • Length - 80 inches
    • Width head end - 38 inches
    • Width foot end - 20 inches
    • Height - fits 6ft 2 inches.
    Materials:

    • Fly - 10D Silnylon
    • Floor - 20D Silnylon
    Please suggest a name for this tent - I am not sure what to call it.

    Video: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tXqYkMnAYIsTHmkunGY9BRs3OR2oFIN-/view

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ULgeartrad..._new_concept_ul_1_person_4_season_tent_171oz/
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2020
  19. Franco Darioli

    Franco Darioli Ultralighter

    Hi Huzefa,
    I see that blue is still your favourite colour ...
    SuperBivy came to mind but it's already taken (by BigSky) typical .
    Wedge Bivy also sounded good but again it's in use already.
    How about HighBivy ? (HiBivy)
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2020
  20. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

  21. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    Sorry @Daniel stole from your post from FB :whistling:
  22. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I would like a 2-door, 2-P DCF mid but not at £630 for just the fly.
    And the sidewinder looks an interesting idea but the pitch in the photo looks awful. I suspect that the design puts extra strain on the zipper as the tension in the panel will be trying to pull the 2 halves of the zip apart. Perhaps that explains the pitch - you can't put enough tension on the left-hand seam?
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  23. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    That's as much as I paid for my V6 Ford Explorer, which is powerful enough to lug @Chiseller 's Baker tent around.
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  24. Daniel

    Daniel Trail Blazer

    whats your Facebook name :thumbsdown:
  25. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    I had a post there about a x-mid & the two.
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