Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by theoctagon, Aug 14, 2015.
You’re worse than me by MILES!
Ron worries about long term wear on zips. That's why he sells zip cleaner.
If that is the reason for him recently choosing #8 zip for the solomid after all these years (as his answer to the problem of long term wear) I wonder why then he hasn't put them on the duomid line?
My sceptical mind wonders if the solomid has the most competition from other one man miss and he is indeed signaling it's robustness with a meaty zip. Not a normal #5 zip but a whopping #8 zip? He sells his cricket with the line of "no flimsy no3 zips to fail" , a zip HE doesn't use.
My Polish army mid (canvas, don't ask the weight), uses buttons.
A #3 zipper on a fly is an incident waiting to happen, low strength & best reserved for bivi's & nests.
IMO a #5 zipper (standard or Aquaguard) is quite strong & most failures are simply down to wear & tear NOT overloading. This is probably more of an issue in dusty/ sandy environments (Arizona desert) & I'd think it would be a good idea to clean (old toothbrush) & lube the zipper in such cases frequently......not much of an issue in Scotland though a wee bit of annual maintenance does help the zipper run smoothly.
I got #8 zippers on my Trekkertent Saor (winter tent) purely for my peace of mind (pack your fears?)
I'd agree a No 3 zip is a weak link. Though have yet to have an issue with ours after plenty of bad weather use.
I use MC nett zipp lube/cleaner on all ours once or twice a year. Sleeping bag n jacket zips too.
The No 3 zips on my (older than current) Notch are a weak spot, but as I guy both sides of each door tight to the same peg , therefore each zipper side is pulled lengthways but held together tight so stress is mitigated.
(I’ve added linelocs and guys to the unguyed doors so each zipper door has two guys to the peg (and cut off the useless weak plastic clips which never held from day one). There were existing grograin loops there to attach a LL3 to.)
Is it a no8 on the solomid cuben too?
That would seem more rational as a signal than weight/strength decision
Maybe, but why not put them on the duomid then Enzo?
I've had a conversation with Evgen at Liteway and he is happy to make a PyraOmm mid with one door, and #5 zip and I guess that he would do a #8 if you asked.
He wasn't open to the suggestion of re-offering the Trek-lite discount but I think that he might be persuaded to do a deal on tarps that he has in stock. Since I'm unlikely to use it until next spring I'm going to keep my powder dry.
He doesn't use a "normal #5 zip" on the Duomid. Oh no he uses a "Long service life #5 YKK water-resistant zipper"
That's useful to know Phil
Why not indeed, the duomid in my mind also being a shelter for tougher conditions, and perhaps for those less worried about the last gram, seeing as it's I think generally used as a spacious 1 person shelter.
I think your probably right.
When I think of UL shelter manufacturers the three I think of first are
I think of Zpacks as being light but fragile, MLD as more focused on practical durability and HMG as expensive and tough. Compared to Zpacks just having a zip on a 2p shelter seems extravagant!
The ultra-strong SoloMid sets up fast, handles light to moderate snow loads like a pro, and sheds wind from any direction.
But still seems odd, unless the design of the shelter puts more strain on the zip. With a cuben shelter I'd rather the extra grams were put into more sq feet rather than an 8 rather than 5 zip. But I'm sure Ron has his reasons, he's no idiot.
No love for TT?
There's very little talk about HMG in UK forums.
Can someone clarify the difference with Duomid XL full inner and HMG Ultamid 2 full inner width difference? 125cm vs 193cm. Is it because Ulta has no vestibule space and Duo does?
I think it's because of my focus on cuben users, which TT are perhaps late to. That said I think Henry's designs are really impressive.
Yes thats how I see the duomid too, more of a spacious one man winter shelter. Something you expect to have a fat zip. Just a bit strange that he hasn't put #8 zip on them all, there is good reason to both for strength and perhaps as a selling strength. Anyway enough of that, he will have his reasons as you say.
Wouldn't surprise me if all the MLD mids now have No8 Aquaguard zips, and MLD just haven't updated the webpage info on some of them.
After all, that's standard MLD behaviour as long as I've been paying attention - adds a little edge to an order - you never quite know if what you get is going to quite exactly as described or pictured on the website (whether features, dimensions, or seam style.)
The current web pages for Duo and Duo XL say • Long service life #5 YKK water-resistant zipper w/ storm flap, and the photos show with a storm flap. But pretty sure recent pics of new ones I've seen on the FB group show them without storm flaps?
Yes that could be it mole. I remember when waiting for the cricket I was wondering what version I was going to get because it seemed that at the time when others were getting theirs, they were coming with different tweaks or extra this or that.
@Mole I asked Ron simply why does solomid have #8 zip and duo mids #5 and he said
All zips now number number 8
Will fix website
As I thought.
well done - just ask.
Not updating the website seems to be his blind spot. It's often wrong or out of date.
Ye still funny to just update one of the shelters though. Will leave case as an open file
According to their Facebook page, Liteway are prototyping the PyraOmm in cuben/DCF.
IMO zips should be short, strong, and clipped at the bottom with a proper alloy clip and ring.
The Aeon Li looks to be well thought out volume to surface area for a single pole tent. And the rear corner struts should make it less flappy and better able to shrug off snow too.
Whatever happened to two pole mids? They all, except for MSR Twin Sisters and the AliExpress clones, seem to have been discontinued.
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