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OV's new mat is out.

 
OV's new mat is out.

Too heavy for R value. Price is good.
 
OV's new mat is out.

The regular is the shortest they do - why would I, or anyone else who isn't 6', want to carry the excess length.......
 
It looks like there's a crazy deal at Klymit: $50 for the insulated static V lite. Unfortunately there's no shipping to BE and the thing costs triple on the .eu website. Is there anyone in the UK who fancies ordering one and forwarding to me? Perhaps for a small fee if you want...
 
It looks like there's a crazy deal at Klymit: $50 for the insulated static V lite. Unfortunately there's no shipping to BE and the thing costs triple on the .eu website. Is there anyone in the UK who fancies ordering one and forwarding to me? Perhaps for a small fee if you want...

Not worth it.

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Any user experience to guide me in the Insulated Static V Lite vs Ultralite dilemma? Durability should be of little concern since I'm very careful with all of my gear.
 
Klymit have a Ebay page where they do reconditioned mats for very little money, i bought two insulated Static V's and i think they were about £50 each. It's hit and miss as to what they have in stock though.
 
Any user experience to guide me in the Insulated Static V Lite vs Ultralite dilemma? Durability should be of little concern since I'm very careful with all of my gear.
I have and use a Klymit Insulated Static V Luxe on shorter hike-and-camp trips where I don’t mind the freakin’ 2 pound weight. Who says size ain’t everything? 30 inches wide - a monster. Plenty warm for sub zero C nights. Seems durable enough.

I use a much lighter pad for longer treks though…
 
Hey! This is neat to see people interested in it!

Jools eluded to it in his blog post, but by the time he had received his prototype (shipping to him takes a lot of time), I had already received a decent amount of feedback from beta testers about their concerns and legitimate issues they found. So indeed, there will be another prototype version that needs to go through another round of beta testing. <-- more on the new version at the end of this post :)

Know Legitimate Issues:

-- The increased power of the new motor/controller combo means that if your connecting it to a pad with a valve on its side (like therm-a-rest pads) it can now suck in your groundsheet or tent floor on accident and poke holes in it with the fan blade spinning.

-- The clips that connect to controller housing to the top of the inflator are to weak and have broken on one tester already

Areas of Common Concern:
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The housing feels to weak and needs to be made more stiff. Currently, it was designed to be compliant because I thought warping was better than breaking. But it turns out warping is just annoying, you have to squeeze the unit back into its circular shape from time to time if it gets squashed in your back.Most beta testers agree that they would like to see something more stiff.

-- Most of the beta testers also think the wires that the controller dangles from seem to weak and are a likely point of failure for anyone doing a through hike with it.

-- The general layout and design is finicky/fiddley for a lack of better words. The process of unmounting the controller, connecting everything, making sure the wires aren't tangled... it's just a pleasant experience. It's not a terrible one, but it also not pleasant.

Fixings the issues

Originally I had planned to fix the stiffness and wire issues with a simple change in material and adding some kind of wire loom to the motor cable as mentioned by Jools in his blog post.

But then I came to the realization that these solutions are ultimately just boot-strapping a bad design to work slightly better. So I spent my uni spring break working on a simple yet objectively better layout and dhousing design.

Motor Cable Issue Fix:
The solution here was simple in my mind, just dont leave it exposed like I have been doing on all my previous versions. With it being routed through the interior, its protected from any long term mechanical wear and tear.

Ducting Rigidity Fix:
This one was a little trickier to solve, even went down the generative design rabbit hole. But without boring everyone with the details, I was able to reduce deflection by over an order of magnitude without having to change to the more expensive glass filled material I was contemplating doing.

And another picture showing 26lbs (11.7kg) of force until noticeable deflection and another picture showing its ability to rebound back to chape afterwards.

Exposed Fan Blade Fix:
The fan blade being exposed was both a danger to injury (it spins that fats on the highest mode) and to gear (as some poor beta tester found out). So I designed a simple snap-in grid that adds rigidity and acts as a barrier to the blade. The grid can be removed for you microgram weenies out there.
 
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(Continued) Had to break it into two parts

Cooling:
Cooling the MOSFETS on the motor controller wasn't an issue with the V5 thanks to the heat sink, but on V5.1 I wanted to see if I get drop the heat sink again. The heat sink wasn't needed on earlier prototypes of the brushless versions because I was mounting the board in the path of the airflow generated by the fan. But on V5 the control board is off the unit and away from the air flow so I had to add the heat sink.

This control board is much larger than the earlier prototypes that were broken into two. So instead of trying to mount it in the path of the air flow generated by the fan, I redirected some of the airflow out of the fan duct and to the MOSFETs on the controller, then out some vents on the bottom.



Complete Unit:
So this is what V5.1 looks like. I hope to have 25 on hand in 2 weeks to start sending out to the beta testers. Although the weight went up by 1.5 grams, the functionality and inflation performance remained the same and I feel the changes ultimately make for a much better design that gets the Pad-Pal closer to being a product people would be happy to have and use.

Link to album of new design.

I spent yesterday tweaking some internal alignment tabs on the new design in CAD so that the seam between the two pieces (just below where it says "Pad-Pal") thats seen on the prototype above isn't as obvious. So hopefully that works and the beta testers will have a slightly better looking unit in 2 weeks than what's shown here.

If you made it this far thanks for reading! :D
 
(Continued) Had to break it into two parts

Cooling:
Cooling the MOSFETS on the motor controller wasn't an issue with the V5 thanks to the heat sink, but on V5.1 I wanted to see if I get drop the heat sink again. The heat sink wasn't needed on earlier prototypes of the brushless versions because I was mounting the board in the path of the airflow generated by the fan. But on V5 the control board is off the unit and away from the air flow so I had to add the heat sink.

This control board is much larger than the earlier prototypes that were broken into two. So instead of trying to mount it in the path of the air flow generated by the fan, I redirected some of the airflow out of the fan duct and to the MOSFETs on the controller, then out some vents on the bottom.



Complete Unit:
So this is what V5.1 looks like. I hope to have 25 on hand in 2 weeks to start sending out to the beta testers. Although the weight went up by 1.5 grams, the functionality and inflation performance remained the same and I feel the changes ultimately make for a much better design that gets the Pad-Pal closer to being a product people would be happy to have and use.

Link to album of new design.

I spent yesterday tweaking some internal alignment tabs on the new design in CAD so that the seam between the two pieces (just below where it says "Pad-Pal") thats seen on the prototype above isn't as obvious. So hopefully that works and the beta testers will have a slightly better looking unit in 2 weeks than what's shown here.

If you made it this far thanks for reading! :D
Excellent to see this work going on! I had seen Your video of the earlier prototype with exposed wire & detachable circuit board, which did look pretty interesting - these updates for the next iteration look like a huge step forward. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on the finished article & putting away the pump sack!
 
October 2023 for tensor extreme.
All-Season model looks like a winner, great for 3+ seasons and pretty light.
40d bottom and 20d top, many complaints of pin hole leaks on the old pads, hopefully these pads remediate the issue.
 
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looks like they have ditched the 20D polyester and gone to nylon. These pads look interesting. I have an uninsulated regular tensor because I wanted a super light summer rectangular pad and although it’s narrow it does the job nicely. Not sure if I will upgrade.
 
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