Trail shoes when it's wet, I just don't 'get' it.

Discussion in 'Clothing & Footwear' started by SafetyThird, May 15, 2018.

  1. Taz38

    Taz38 Thru Hiker

    (As you might know) Still a boot wearer. Tried trail shoes last year on a fairly tough hill walk but my legs weren't too keen. Probably just a case of needing to adapt, but asmy body is going thru a few changes I'm playing it safe atm.

    Very impressed with what I've heard about the dexshell socks, very tempting for future purchases. I've been using the army goretex liners in my boots (in very wet conditions) with good results. Dry feet after hours of rain, sodden grass and bog. I have to wear a halfsize too big, which means there's a bit of excess which needs to be tucked in just right or blisters might form. Because this works (for £5) I'm a little reluctant to spend money on yet more socks (besides I 'need' other things :sorry:).

    The trail shoes will hopefully get more outings this year but not with a pack (yet).

    @Shetlandbreeder: decent gaiters should help.
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  2. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I use military MVP socks. Like these:
    http://www.britishmilitarysurplus.co.uk/shop/footwear/mvp-socks-grade-1-1123846.html
    They come up over my calves. Maybe not long enough for you?
    IMO, if sound, they are superior to knitted Sealskinz type socks. Have used them for years. ( Worn over normal socks).
    An unissued pair is like rocking horse dung. I have one pair saved for 'that' trip.
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  3. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    :cry:

    Gosh, some folks do have very complex needs...:(

    Howzabout get a rainskirt..?

    It won't help much with the wet socks, or running tbh.

    But it usually distracts from the main problem in some fashion..

    But all this notwithstanding - Darn tough do some very nice long socks with stripes, and flowers, and suchlike - they reach my knees - they might reach yours :geek:
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  4. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    :singing:
  5. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I've found roclite 325 very comfortable, the sizing is odd though. I've token the thick footbeds out and put thin ones in to get more depth. I think if your used to heavy boots it would take time to get used to them. You need to build up the muscles around your feet that your boots support have not allowed to build up.
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  6. shetland_breeder

    shetland_breeder Ultralighter

    The only modern socks that are long enough are those meant to be worn with plus-fours by the hunting/shooting/fishing brigade. They are meant to have a 4" turndown below the knee. They just about come up to my knee if the turn-down is turned up.

    Now back at the dawn of time in the 1960's when everyone wore either army battledress trouser or knee breeches you could get technical socks in long leg sizes. Karrimor even made their (canvas) gaiters in two sizes.

    Gaiters are just a PITA with trainers - even Dirty Girls (unless your feet are bulky enough to fit Altras).

    So I continue to wear Sealskinz - the cycling ones with Hydrostop cuff in winter or in the rain (but only to keep my feet warm - long legs and vascular deficiency mean my feet get cold easily), Drymax socks the rest of the year, rain or no rain. I've never had a blister regardless of how wet my feet are or how long they are wet.
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  7. OwenM

    OwenM Section Hiker

    If you want long socks, try ski socks they generally come up over the knee.
  8. shetland_breeder

    shetland_breeder Ultralighter

    I need a leg length (bottom of heel to knee) of 49-50cm with a foot size of 11-12. I've never seen any with a leg of more than 45cm. And I've only ever seen the leg length specified once - mostly it's just 'knee length' or 'over calf' which isn't at all helpful.
  9. Taz38

    Taz38 Thru Hiker

    A new challenge awaits: knitting long socks ;)
  10. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker


    https://www.dexshell.co.uk/DEXSHELL-WADING-SOCKS-ADULTS how about the Wading Sock? It doesn't actually state the height but 'wading' sounds like it's got to be long, and it has a "sealed cuff" whatever that means but probably follows on from @Fair Weather Camper's silicone plan,
  11. Taz38

    Taz38 Thru Hiker

    :rolleyes:
    I looked at that, wonder how comfy these are, and how they perform.
  12. Gordon

    Gordon Trail Blazer

    Bit late to comment here, but, just done the TGOC2018 in Altra Lone Peak 2's. Wet feet for first 3 days and occasionally boggy bits later. Aired feet at lunch breaks, clean socks in evening, Gehwol foot cream in the morning. No blisters or sore spots. I only use boots in winter.
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  13. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Enjoying unlined trail shoes in the present Serengeti like conditions in Scotland.
    River crossings proving most refreshing.

    But I was abruptly reminded of the zero grip, of Terroc's solid instep, on wet rock...

    Sudden, unscheduled lie down, in river bed was refreshing yes.. But resulted in a rather colourful thigh decoration..:oops:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BjXotzJgEct/

    Never mind.. The fun wasn't curtailed for too long. :angelic:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BjXl-sEAVpg/
    Last edited: May 30, 2018
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  14. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker


    I don't suppose you packed an ultra-light portion of arnica cream?
    Last edited: May 30, 2018
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  15. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Sadly not.. :(

    Had to make do with a river soaked cloth.

    In combination with that other time-honoured cure for hurty bumps :kiss:

    The affected site seems to be spreading... :shy:
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  16. Taz38

    Taz38 Thru Hiker

    :rolleyes:
    Ouch! That will go purple.

    Wore my trailies today, salomon speedcross varios (on what was supposed to be a 1.5 hours bimble with reluctant bored kids, but turned into an almost three hour mystery tour through an unexplored woodland with big signs saying keep out...).

    Anyway, nice to walk in lighter footwear with quite a good grip, but the toebox is narrower so not sure if that would work on long walks. I also got wet socks, which is not a problem perse, but again on multiday hikes could be a problem.
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  17. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Yes it's taking on the dimensions and hue of a clan shield now.. :eeker:

    Sign saying 'keep out' is clear invitation to explore - all the landowner is ever permitted to do is ask you to leave. Unless you're committing some kind of criminal damage.

    If it's colder, and wetter on multiday trips (rarely:angelic:) I wear the Dexshells over merino, and my feet stay happy.
    But yes, you'll need room in the toe box for all that - looser lacing at the forefoot helps.

    The overall weight saving, and nimbleness (usually:arghh:) is worth it, and I'm no gram weenie by any measure. :geek:
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  18. bonarkr

    bonarkr Day Walker

    I am a newbe convert from boots to running shoes. I have just spent last two weeks hillwalking in Scotland in Roclite 305s. All Ok except I was disappointed to find that the insoles absorbed a lot of water and I had to wring them out by rolling them up and squeezing them, at which point a considerable volume of water would come out. So there is the issue of carrying the extra water, and the time for the shoes to dry out while being worn, and the time for the insoles to dry out when shoes taken off and insoles removed. I contacted Innov8 on matter as there must be suitable materials which could be employed which do not absorb water. The response was that whilst their footbeds are very cushioned they do absorb water. They are updating the Roclite range for next year and from 2019, they will have footbeds made from non water absorbent materials.
    Can anyone recommend similar thickness footbeds to the Roclites but which do not absorb water?
    Thankyou.
  19. JKM

    JKM Thru Hiker

    I have been using superfeet insoles in roclite 290's without any noticeable water absorption.


    Mine are the custom black ''carbon' ones but I think the fabric upper and padding are the same materials as others in the range.

    They add some welcome under arch stiffness as well.
  20. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    I noticed the same with my 290s. The previous generations were perforated closed cell foam that didn't absorb much water and dried quickly, so yeah it's frustrating. The latest gen are really comfy though, almost like really dense memory foam. I'll probably use them for non boggy hikes and save my older gen ones for bog.
  21. ColinHawke

    ColinHawke Ultralighter

    Another superfeet user here, I use their standard green version and find they help with my high arches and don’t absorb any water. They are expensive but i find they are indestructible and have outlasted several pairs of trail runners.
  22. shetland_breeder

    shetland_breeder Ultralighter

    You are right, those insoles are just hopeless if it's wet. And maybe Inov-8 are going to change the material - I tried a pair of the new Trailroc 270s last wek (they didn't fit as well as the Roclite 290 for some reason) and they had the old-style EVA insoles.

    There is a company called Rock Fall that makes EVA footbeds - you can find them on eBay and Amazon. They might be orth a try, but whether they are wide enough to get an Inov-8 Standard fit insole out of I don't know.

    Sidas do an Impact Reducer insole but they are much too narrow to be any use. You could get some Poron 4000 sheet in 3mm or 6mm and cut your own - again the 'pre-cut' insoles are stupidly narrow. Poron does ansornb water but nothing like as much as the In0v-8 ones do. I team a Poron 3mm forefoot with an Inpv-8 3mm EVA insole to reduce the drop o4mm drop shoes to something more manageable.
  23. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    https://secure.yoursole.com/uk/mens...mer&utm_term=homepage-tile&utm_content=online

    'Sole' are rather expensive but perhaps good if you need a particular arch support. i see one of the sport versions is on reduction at the mo. I haven't tried them, as although I did buy a pair once I left them too long in the oven for the heat-forming treatment and they curled up and died :banghead:. Haven't dared spend so much on a sole since, but I've seen positive comments in this forum about them.
  24. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I use Sole; they are pretty good - more importantly, unlike Superfeet they suit my feet.

    Agree on the 'bunching-up when wet' footbeds....cynical under-specification by manufacturers who assume one will buy aftermarket replacements....
  25. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Superfeet With Roclites for me currently

    If it's mostly dry ( summer mountains) I use Cush N Step sorbothanes. But they do swell up if saturated.
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2018

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