Trek-Lite Backpack

Discussion in 'Packs & Accessories' started by theoctagon, Apr 5, 2017.

  1. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

    No idea if any one will be interested in playing along but...

    Thought it might be interesting to design a UL pack between us all and assuming we have a clue what we're talking about, and we can (pretty much) agree on a design, I'll have a go at building one.

    As a bit of a primer the type of pack I have in mind is a frameless UL pack that's circa 400g tops, usual set up of two shoulder straps, simple hip belt (if any), but beyond that it's pretty much up to us all to decide on something.

    Fabric wise I'd rather order from europe where possible using something along the lines of dyneema x or x-pac, or I guess maybe cuben from z-packs.

    Assuming it works out ok I'll stick in on eBay with no reserve, give half the sale value to charity and keep the other half towards my costs.

    I've got a couple more to build before I'd be able to get started on the actual build but no doubt it'll take us a while to discuss the design.
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2017
    Cass, Graham, Arne L. and 12 others like this.
  2. Tartanferret

    Tartanferret Thru Hiker

    Great idea Matt
    theoctagon likes this.
  3. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    Last edited: Apr 5, 2017
    theoctagon likes this.
  4. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah nice idea Matt

    In no particular order, things I look for in a pack are ..

    • Minimal straps and dangly bits
    • Weather resistant fabric
    • Single main body compartment, no lid and no zips
    • Stretch pocket on front of main body
    • Roll down top closure with top strap
    • Two side pockets, deep enough to take a 1L bottle
    • No too bothered about a hip belt unless it's 50L +
    • A pocket or pockets for snacks & compass, on shoudler strap or hip belt
    • Somewhere I can attach my rolled up map case, a couple of shockcord loops on a shoulder strap works
  5. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I like a stretch fabric pocket on shoulder strap for phone/GPS.

    Silnylon hip pockets so trail mix can go in unlined.

    Spacer mesh on everything that touches skin

    Side pockets that'll fit 1l bottle and waterproofs, ie pretty big

    Fittings that would allow the fitting of say 8mm carbon fiber rods for days when you have to carry lots of water etc

    Good sternum strap, with elastic bit on webbing ( not just elastic like montane ultra, limp ass elastic as well!)

    Line loc load lifters

    P.S there is definitely a gap in the market for a UK made cuben shelter
    Maker..... just sayin:rolleyes:
    FOX160, kiltedpict and theoctagon like this.
  6. Padstowe

    Padstowe Section Hiker

    Nice idea
    1 piece roll top main compartment
    Shoulder straps with daisy chain set up
    Sternum strap
    Minimal padded hip belt (to loosen shoulder straps & ride weight off hips on flats)
    2 stretch woven side pockets 1-1.5L
    1 stretch woven front pocket 5-8L
    1 stretch woven overlapped base pocket
    & maybe a sleeve inside at the back to fit a folded sleeping mat into.
    I've probably gone over the 400gr :( But I'd buy it :angelic:
    theoctagon likes this.
  7. fluffkitten

    fluffkitten Thru Hiker

    Very interesting.

    Single main compartment.
    Water pockets on the side.
    Shoulder strap pouches, or set up to attach the Tread-lite ones already have.
    (Removeable)Sternum strap.
    (Removeable)minimal waist belt
    Roll top
    Big mesh pocket on the back.
    35l - 45l
    Moon on stick.
    theoctagon likes this.
  8. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Removable attachment point for large helium balloon so based weight can be <0
    Dave V and theoctagon like this.
  9. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    Matt's going to end up with orders for at least 5 different packs out of this. :D
    theoctagon likes this.
  10. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    A Quickstep with ULA side pockets and a gusseted solid fabric pocket where the stretch one is located.
    theoctagon likes this.
  11. JimH

    JimH Ultralighter

    Nice idea, here's my initial thoughts (getting a consensus will be interesting here), again, in no particular order:
    • 35-45 litres
    • A simple lid with zipped pocket (I can see the flexibility of roll top, but I find a lid pocket useful)
    • Two side pockets each big enough for a bottle (mesh, solid, I'm not fussed)
    • Stretch mesh pocket on front of main body
    • Stretch mesh pockets on shoulder straps for phone, gps, or compass
    • Compression in some manner to keep it all snug
    • Removable hip belt with a pocket each side
    • Some way to securely attach walking poles to the pack for town/transit
    • Minimal clutter, dangly straps etc
    Have to admit though that I'm still pretty happy with my Berghaus Hyper 37
    theoctagon likes this.
  12. fluffkitten

    fluffkitten Thru Hiker

    Actually you could just copy the Pa'lante Simple but add provision for a detachable waist belt and I'd probably be drooling.
    Graham, Arne L. and theoctagon like this.
  13. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    Reality check:

    1) More features = lighter body material if you're to stay under 400g.
    2) Consensus means options, and therefore more attachment points.
    JimH likes this.
  14. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

    Thanks for the comments so far, good to see there's a little interest in this.

    Maybe it'd be best if we go through the pack bit by bit and see what we end up with?

    For no reason what so ever let's start with the shoulder straps, for the basic strap shape etc maybe something along the lines of these ones I made recently?

    IMG_2868.jpg

    Gentle S shape, 5mm internal padding, approx 70mm wide, 4mm spacer mesh, face fabric tbc. Attached to the pack at an angle so they fit the shoulders better.

    Thoughts re webbing/daisy chain - Full/half length/none? Removable elasticated emergency whistle sternum strap to attach to the webbing sound ok?

    Pockets - built in or just add your own/none?

    Attachment Line running to the pack? More traditional webbing/buckle or Cord/LL3

    IMG_2873.jpg IMG_2872.jpg
    Padstowe likes this.
  15. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    Empty shoulder straps I can stuff spare socks into would be fine.
  16. Padstowe

    Padstowe Section Hiker

    I think its good to have the points to attach pockets for added options.
    The Cord/LL3 option sounds intriguing for the straps, but I'd be worried that certain movements could lift the lock & slip the cord?
  17. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

    Starting to think opening this up to a pretty much infinite amount of options might not be the best way to go if we're ever to get anywhere :confused: Perhaps if people could answer the following it might help, or does that just spoil the fun?

    1) Capacity (Body only)

    30L, 40L, 50L

    2) Fabric (Body)

    Dyneema-X, X-Pac VX07, hybrid cuben, other

    3) Hip belt

    No, removable 20mm webbing belt, something beefier

    4) Side pockets

    No, solid fabric, mesh

    5) Rear pocket

    No, solid fabric, mesh, solid/mesh hybrid

    6) Pockets other

    No, Palante style bottom pocket (fabric or stretch mesh?), other (e.g. Internal pocket, additional side pocket above water bottle pocket, taller side pocket, removable, adjustable elastic, etc)

    7) Top closure

    Simple drawcord, roll top + removable top strap, Quickstep/MLD newt style, other

    8) Shoulder straps

    5mm padding + 4mm spacer mesh, unpadded just the 4mm spacer mesh, unpadded/4mm spacer mesh + stuffable

    9) Other stuff (Yes or no)

    Side compression capable, ice axe/walking stick carrying loops, some sort of load lifter, internal pad pocket, ext pad holders, other (specify)
    Shewie likes this.
  18. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    1) Capacity (Body only)

    40L

    2) Fabric (Body)

    X-Pac VX07

    3) Hip belt

    No

    4) Side pockets

    solid fabric

    5) Rear pocket

    mesh

    6) Pockets other

    Palante style bottom pocket (stretch mesh)

    7) Top closure

    roll top + removable top strap

    8) Shoulder straps

    5mm padding + 4mm spacer mesh

    9) Other stuff (Yes or no)

    Side compression capable, ice axe/walking stick carrying loops
    theoctagon likes this.
  19. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    1) Capacity (Body only)

    40L

    2) Fabric (Body)

    X-Pac VX07

    3) Hip belt

    something beefier

    4) Side pockets

    solid fabric

    5) Rear pocket

    solid fabric (preferably removable)

    6) Pockets other

    N/A

    7) Top closure

    roll top + removable top strap,

    8) Shoulder straps

    5mm padding + 4mm spacer mesh

    9) Other stuff (Yes or no)

    Side compression capable, internal pad pocket
    theoctagon likes this.
  20. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    1) Capacity (Body only)

    30L

    2) Fabric (Body)

    hybrid cuben - only in that pretty orange colour though (and that is the sole reason for choice)..

    3) Hip belt

    removable 20mm webbing belt

    4) Side pockets

    solid fabric

    5) Rear pocket

    solid fabric, mesh, solid/mesh hybrid

    6) Pockets other

    No

    7) Top closure

    Quickstep/MLD newt style

    8) Shoulder straps

    5mm padding + 4mm spacer mesh

    9) Other stuff (Yes or no)

    Side compression capable via attachment points
    ice axe/walking stick carrying loops no
    some sort of load lifter no
    internal pad pocket yes
    ext pad holders no
    other (specify)
    theoctagon likes this.
  21. Padstowe

    Padstowe Section Hiker

    1) Capacity (Body only)
    40L
    2) Fabric (Body)
    X-Pac VX07
    3) Hip belt
    something beefier
    4) Side pockets
    solid fabric/stretch
    5) Rear pocket
    solid fabric/stretch
    6) Pockets other
    Palante style bottom pocket, stretch mesh (with an overlapped entrance)
    7) Top closure
    roll top + removable top strap
    8) Shoulder straps
    5mm padding + 4mm spacer mesh
    9) Other stuff (Yes or no)
    Side compression capable, ice axe/walking stick carrying loops, internal pad pocket (some sort of load lifter might be nice)
    theoctagon likes this.
  22. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    1) Capacity (Body only)

    45L

    2) Fabric (Body)

    I like X-Pac VX07 but dyneema grid more sensible probably

    3) Hip belt
    With solid pickets

    4) Side pockets

    solid fabric 2l

    5) Rear pocket

    mesh

    6) Pockets other

    Stretch fabric on chest straps (montane ultra style)

    7) Top closure

    roll top + removable top strap

    8) Shoulder straps

    5mm padding + 4mm spacer mesh

    9) load lifters. Ll3 side compression like ks
    theoctagon likes this.
  23. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    We could have a poll :woot: it might give a clearer indication?? I don't think it can be edited in though so it'll need a new thread starting
    theoctagon and Enzo like this.
  24. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    That or a google spreadsheet we can all edit
  25. Diddi

    Diddi Thru Hiker

    Or you could start with the same base and customise each one to individual taste and requirements then charge them 2 gazillion pounds for a one off personalised pack ....
    I want built in solar panels all around with blue led lights underneath
    Enzo, Jamess and Davy like this.

Share This Page