Meant to add ,I have one of the original Phoenix goretex Phreerunner tents. Must be getting on to nearly 4o years old now. Apart from the goretex ( still perfectly breathable and 100% waterproof ! ) the rest is in a sorry state . Did have a word with Marc about restoring it but would be too expensive. Hence my interest in the Phreeranger. The Phreerunner was a great tent , never any condensation ,and no problems in heavy weather .