Wanted: cheap 2p windproof palace

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by KVerb, Sep 23, 2018.

  1. KVerb

    KVerb Trail Blazer

    Hi all,

    I'm looking for a new Ali shelter. The 3F UL Lanshan2 is an awesome 2p tent, but I wouldn't take it with confidence when high winds can be expected... I know I shouldn't expect any Ali tent to survive a whole night of gale-force winds on a mountain top, but I'm hoping that there's at least something out there that will stay upright in a bad storm when set up in a good spot.

    We (GF and I)'d like a bit more room compared to the 3F, for gear storage and for buffer distance between ourselves and the fly. She's compromised on her demand for an inner as long as I buy or sew her a bivy. I'll make due with a groundsheet or bathtub. This opens up a lot of interesting options:
    • Trailstar clone (20D orange vs 40D green?)
    • Knot octagonal pyramid (M vs L?)
    • Knot Supermid
    • 3F Cangyuan pyramid
    I've done a lot of searching but could not find too much user experience that went beyond someone's backyard. Could you please provide some more insight into these tents?
  2. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I've had a knot hex out in thunderous rain and squally wind. It was great. I have I think all their mids. The medium 8 sided Is the sweetspot for two people. I have one with zing it guys on 6 of the guy points and its I think under 700g sealed. The solid 2p inner is 600g ish. I use a 20mm alloy tarp pole at 170cm 200g
    Of course there is a wind sufficient to destroy any shelter who ever makes it.
  3. KVerb

    KVerb Trail Blazer

    Agreed on that last point, I just want a tent/tarp in a shape that doesn't buckle or flap too much before it's properly storming.
    Do you use the pole because you don't trust trekking poles or because you don't carry any?
    What makes the medium oct the sweet spot? Is the extra room not worth 200g?
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2018
  4. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Its essentially the same weight as the smaller hex, 8 sides means you pitch it as a square then pull the mid panel ties out. Makes it more of a circular cross section, which with the considerable cat cut makes it a more slippery shape.
    1.7m pole means needing to join poles. I rate lack of FAFF as highly as low weight so an alloy pole that weighs the same as a trekking pole , is probably stronger, though isn't adjustable has its advantages.
    I've gone off using poles unless the grounds very uneven or Milages are over 30-35 miles.
    The smaller size makes it better in wind than the large and for two the medium is still roomy. We use one side of the pole to sleep which leaves half for gear cooking etc there is loads of room for a couple or either side of the pole for those less intimate. IMG_20171230_113533.jpg IMG_20180126_132740.jpg
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  5. Stumpghes

    Stumpghes Backpacker

    I second Enzo's recommendation on the M Knot Octo with solid 1/2 inner. Cheap and light combination. 2p sleeping with massive front room/vestibule.
  6. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

  7. KVerb

    KVerb Trail Blazer

    Thanks for all of the info!
    @Stumpghes , what's the worst weather you've faced with this setup?
  8. Stuart

    Stuart Ultralighter

    The set up for two people as pictured seems a bit of a squeeze but I'd be interested to hear more from those who've used it this way.

    As I understand it the inner is 1.2mx2.4m. The length is good but it seems a bit narrow for us, given that you probably lose some of the width due to the angle of the inner. I imagine you're looking at perhaps a usable width of around 1m. Plus the fact that someone has to climb over the other to get in and out.
  9. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I've used that setup with me Mrs. No problems space wise, but I was by the door, though she says it was fine. Good winter setup, the door is double, you can have it mesh or solid.
    You need to pack at least 2 extra stakes to pin the front corners of the inner.
    These shelters come into their own single skin space wise.
    The 4p inner fits too but then no vestibule IMG_20171230_131335.jpg
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  10. KVerb

    KVerb Trail Blazer

    The Lanshan2 we currently use is 110 x 210 and we sleep in that comfortably so no issues there I think. The in and out thing might be an issue but I usually don't have to get up during the night (GF does). Guess we'll have to try it to know it.

    Also, I couldn't pass on the current price of the green Knotstar (€30) so we got that anyway for stealthy wildcamping in the Ardens. Still looking into the Knot medium octagonal mid as well!
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  11. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    That's a great price, was going to suggest that fauxstar but bit tight for 2?
  12. KVerb

    KVerb Trail Blazer

    At that price I'll happily find out! If it turns out too tight for 2 then I'll use it for solo weekenders.
  13. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    When you talk about the knot octagonal... it's not actually made by Knot anymore is it? So if I want to look at it on AliExpress what is it currently called? And which inner are you looking at ? Thanks
  14. KVerb

    KVerb Trail Blazer

    Search for "pyramid tent" and scroll around a bit. Some do have the knot branding in the pictures in the description.
  15. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    They seem to be badged under a few names now. I've got a grey fauxstar, not sure why I m tempted by the green?! Is it actually 40d and stronger? I thought the weights were the same? 30$ is impressive...
  16. KVerb

    KVerb Trail Blazer

    The listing said it's 40D, didn't say it's stronger ;)
    Also said the following:
    On some forums I've seen the seams in the peak pulling apart a bit under tension. Only seen pics of that on the green one, maybe there's also a difference in construction? Does your one also have that? I think it wouldn't because of the orange reinforcement on the peak?
  17. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I just looked on Ali and couldn't see a green one. Does the green not have a reinforced apex?
    I've only pitched my grey one a couple of times, no sign of any problems
  18. KVerb

    KVerb Trail Blazer

    Haven't found setup pics of the green one on Ali, I'll try to find the pics I'm referring to again.
  19. KVerb

    KVerb Trail Blazer

  20. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

  21. KVerb

    KVerb Trail Blazer

  22. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Those look like they didn't come with apex reinforcements? and did one of them leak?
    I've had my grey knot shelters in heavy rain without issue, but they pitch steeper than the fauxstar which probably helps.
    No sign of seams pulling on any of my knots
  23. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    That's amazing value, why am I tempted when I already have one and haven't used it!?!
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  24. KVerb

    KVerb Trail Blazer

    Maybe because the apex reinforcement is on the outside and not glued to the apex it has the room to stretch the seams a bit? Then at least it won't rain though the openings between the seams. I'll investigate when it arrives and reinforce it from the inside if necessary.
  25. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    This Green TS copy:
    Is not the same fabric/materials as this one:
    The former is 585g
    The latter 760g

    The newer one looks better made. With what look like real Lineloc3s rather than copies.. Though heavier.

    I have the darker green version discussed on the German UL forum.

    No wonder the seam is opening, how they have the narrow pole tip placed!
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    Easy to reinforce as per that thread.

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