Weight (wet and dry) of Footwear

Discussion in 'Clothing & Footwear' started by Victor, Jul 24, 2020.

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Which footwear would you have chosen?

  1. Salomon X Ultra Prime

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  2. Scarpa Mojito

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  3. Lundhags Park

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  1. Victor

    Victor Summit Camper

    I recently came back from a hike in the Swedish mountains. It rained about five minutes per hour, was rather windy with day temperatures between 3 and 11 degrees, and night temperatures between 0 and 4. The ground was boggy at times and sometimes rocky. During one of the days, about two hours were spent on snow. It took a while before I could feel my toes again after climbing and walking through that snow. The hike lasted for 6 days and I had dry feet about half a day to one day. I got no blisters but the feet were cool to cold most of the time. This made me think about footwear - obviously. I had to do some testing to see if it was worth the wet feet to save some weight. Continues reading if you are interested in my findings.

    I weighed the three pairs of footwear I choose between for each hike and also the socks I'm usually wearing. Well, for this hike I brought a pair of sandals to try out, they broke after 45 minutes. I wore my Scarpa Mojito the rest of the time.

    Dry weight:
    40 g, Icebreaker socks made of 60-90% merino wool and the rest synthetic materials
    856 g, Salomon X Ultra Prime with Superfeet insoles
    883 g, Scarpa Mojito with original insoles
    1521 g, Lundhags Park (had not been greased in a couple of months) with felted wool insoles plus a layer of reflective material

    Wet weight after being submerged in 10 cm of water for two minutes and then drained two minutes:
    122 g, Icebreaker socks
    1112 g, Salomon
    1023 g, Scarpa
    1541 g, Lundhags

    Wet weight after two hours of drying in room temperature indoors:
    99 g, Icebreaker socks
    1057 g, Salomon
    1000 g, Scarpa
    1533 g, Lundhags

    Weight after 24 hours of drying in room temperature indoors:
    40 g, Icebreaker socks
    911 g, Salomon
    934 g, Scarpa
    1525 g, Lundhags

    When digesting the figures, consider the weight (80 g after 2 min / 59 g after 2 h) of the absorbed water in the socks that inevitably gets absorbed when using shoes such as the Salomon and Scarpa. The Lundhags is a boot and the water was not deep enough for water to seep in.

    The Salomon mesh shoe absorbed more water than the suede Scarpa but the Salomon dried faster than the Salomon. The Lundhags did absorb little water, some by the laces and some in the leather because it was not saturated enough by grease.

    The weights that best reflects the situation during this hike are those given after two minutes of draining.

    This kind of scale is used by the local drug dealers so I trust it, but not the dealers.

    Links to the shoes/boots:
    https://www.amazon.com/Salomon-Ultra-Prime-Hiking-Shoes/dp/B073JXDC91
    https://www.scarpa.com/mojito
    https://www.lundhags.com/en/footwear/women/shell-boots-12f29b76/park-d1b31491/?code=7318731346469

    What are your thoughts about this?
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2020
  2. Michael_x

    Michael_x Section Hiker

    I too have lightweight footwear that becomes anything but lightweight when wet and takes forever to dry fully if they get thourghly wet.
  3. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

    My thoughts are (and I'm not trying to be funny, but) I wouldn't go with any of those choices.
    You need perhaps to add that option to the survey?
    Trail Talon INOV8-(or another variant someone will certainly link) bleed water very quickly through the mesh and I have used them in this type of scenario and temperatures you describe a fair bit. They work really well in this situation.
    Fresh water and sea water crossings, plus mud etc.
    When they are sopping wet I can feel no extra weight on my feet, though they obviously are heavier. They hold very little water I do know though -as they will dry very quick in wind/sun when off my feet or even when walking from the heat of my feet.
    Dry quickish when walking out of water and just bread bag them with dry socks at the end of the day-wet socks on the next morn and go again. Never had a blister but get a nice pong though!
    I do have the Salomons you refer to and (I) find them clunky and they really don't drain, nor dry well at all, (and are way too narrow) at all compared to the Inov8s.

    I suppose I'm saying think about giving all your choices the flick and look for something else for the conditions you encountered.
    Check out the Trail Talons -they might work for you?
    https://www.wildfiresports.com.au/i...MInpG8hrLn6gIVgX8rCh21Vgl4EAQYBSABEgKjRPD_BwE
    Hope you find what works for you. Might be a bit more trial and error coming up for you I reckon.:thumbsup:
    Cheers.
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2020
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  4. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    To go off original post subject.... In true TL fashion.... Neither of them...
    Some trail running shoes weigh less than 50g more when wet than they do dry...
    My old icebugs were virtually the same wet as dry and my current icebugs absorb around 50ml of water.
    On the other foot... My Roclite 355? (always forget the number) absorb around 700g (each) when soaked and exposed to relentless immersion in wet grasses or bogs..
    Your submersion test isn't relative as its not allowing for flex of the footwear and pressure of motion.
    Sorry to soung negative... It is what it is...
  5. Taz38

    Taz38 Thru Hiker

    Still food for thought.
    My salomon boots are pretty heavy when wetted out.
    I mostly wear the salomon ultras which will soak up any water.
  6. lentenrose

    lentenrose Trail Blazer

    i got my first terrocs years ago after recommendations on a usa site---- one of the pluses noted was the ability to dry out very quickly after getting wet----i would agree with that----even socks seem to dry out a bit after a paddle ---from soaking wet to damp in a short time walking----never weighed them but never noticed any real difference wet or dry
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  7. Victor

    Victor Summit Camper


    The biggest downside I've noticed with the Salomon X Ultra is their narrow toe box. I prefer wide toe boxes. They sell this or a similar models in wide in the US, not here.

    How many km do you get out of your Talons? A shoe lasting less than 1,000 km is not for me. I've read about many Altra users who only get about 500 km out of their shoes. That potentially means buying new shoes every 10th day. That's truly unsustainable. Honestly, 2,000+ km is more to my liking.
  8. Victor

    Victor Summit Camper

    How many kilometers did your Icebugs last?

    I know the test does not reflect real usage. On the other hand, to make a true to life test fair would be more or less impossible too. Hence this test. My wife found it amusing that I spent a Friday evening submerging and weighing footwear. She might start to call me Odd. Yes, that's a Swedish name.
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  9. Victor

    Victor Summit Camper

    Which Salomon boot model?
  10. Victor

    Victor Summit Camper

    When walking, I have not noticed that the footwear has become any heavier. In many cases, I think it requires a scale.
  11. Victor

    Victor Summit Camper

    What do you think would happen if I applied lots a grease to the Scarpa Mojitos suede?
    Is it reasonable to believe the following would happen:
    • They would absorb the grease and get a few grams heavier.
    • They would absorb less water, even if the water came from the inside.
    • They would reach the dry weight just as fast as before because they would absorb less water but the absorbed water would dry more slowly.
    It's mostly the last bullet I'm uncertain about.

    I added the weights after 24 hours of drying to my initial post.
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2020
  12. Taz38

    Taz38 Thru Hiker

    Salomon quest 4D
  13. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Sold the Acceleritas on after a years use... My icebug mist are still kicking after two years use on hills and alternate daily wear... Icebug arnt like a lot of companies... Yes, they improve and bring out new versions of existing models... But they build them to last.
    Rbx9 is a ridiculously sticky yet durable compound...
  14. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

  15. Victor

    Victor Summit Camper

    That's interesting information @Chiseller. I will try to remember to get back in half a year or so to ask if any of the listed shoes have failed.
  16. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I got shut of the inov8, icebugs are just a casual shoe now, as are the merrell.
    Ibe columbia montrail badrock to add and dynafit ultra 100.
    They're should have been inov8 g335 on the list... They've done around 150 trail Miles & around 100 daily home/work miles. They are just about retired now.
  17. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

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    Last edited: Jul 28, 2020
  18. Victor

    Victor Summit Camper

    Is it reasonable to believe the above would happen if grease is applied to the suede?

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