Winter Waterproof Jacket & Trouser Advice

Discussion in 'Clothing & Footwear' started by Ray Smith, Nov 12, 2015.

  1. Ray Smith

    Ray Smith Summit Camper

    Looking at a winter setup as I want to try and get out a fair bit over winter.

    Seen the many reviews on the Keela stuff and admit I am fairly interested in the Munro Salopettes.

    Jackets look ok too but seem a bit on heavy side.

    The Keela shop is only 20mins away from where I live so may take a trip up to the factory shop tomorrow.

    Would appreciate folks advice on what they have and also if they could recommend the Keela gear.
  2. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Depends how hot you run.
    Keele stuff is well made and solid. Used by some MRTs. But heavy/not so breathable as gtx pro or Event etc. Though probably last longer.
  3. Ray Smith

    Ray Smith Summit Camper

    Was also looking at the likes of the Montane Alpine Endurance jacket. So much choice and so many different reviews and opinions.

    However the Cumulus pro jacket from Keela is about 250g heaver I believe from the interweb. But it is half the price.
  4. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Quality, Lightweight, Cheap - you can only pick 2 .
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  5. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    I rate my Keela Munro salopettes. When it's wet and cold, I live in them. They control condensation very well and feel no more clammy than any other decent w/b clothing, probably due to the way the mesh sits closely to the membrane, allowing moisture to pass through. They are warm, an aluminised layer works to reflect heat back. Nice close fit too for me, without being restictive. I find them a little undersized.

    Great value, good quality, not lightweight. :)
  6. Diddi

    Diddi Thru Hiker

    Paclite jacket and troos both together should be under 500g and they spend most of the time in your pack anyhow.imo.
  7. Ray Smith

    Ray Smith Summit Camper

    Spent a few good hours at the Keela factory shop today. Tried on a lot of different jackets and trousers and ended coming away with 3 new bits of gear.

    Got the 'Prosport Adv' jacket in lime green. Think it is a great looking jacket and lets hope it is just as functional in bad weather.

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    Not as light as some but coming in at around 750g. The fit and hood seems to be excellent and actually got a size small. I am 5'10" and average build and
    found that they seem to make slightly larger than others. Normally I would be in a medium jacket.

    Tried on the Munro Salopettes but they didn't have any in my size for a short leg. Also maybe a bit too heavy duty for my liking as well. However I did see a pair of woman's Iona trousers that looked like they might fit the bill. Tried on a few pairs and they fit me perfect in waist and leg length. They come in at around 550g weight and have full side zips. Only thing they don't have is the inner snow gaiters.

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    Last jacket I got was a Lynx multisport as it was going for a bargain price. This soft shell fits perfect and with my base layer thermal top and Passport jacket should be set for most eventualities. This jacket comes in at 500g but the features I really like are the massive pockets and full length pit zips that come all the way from the waist.

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    After picking out the three items and after discount and a bit of haggling got the lot for £170. If they perform as good as I hope then they will be a bit of a bargain considering. Not as light as some of the kit out there but I plan on getting out into the wilds of the Scottish winter and not a great lover of freezing my ass off to be honest.

    Will get out with my video camera at some point and test them in some wild and wet weather possibly over this weekend to see how they cope.
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  8. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

  9. Cass

    Cass Trail Blazer

    Happy days. New gear is great. I used a Keela cumulus for a couple of years and it served me well.
  10. Munro277

    Munro277 Thru Hiker

    When below 8c ish I use Paramo mostly
  11. EM - Ross

    EM - Ross Thru Hiker

    Full Metal Jacket!
  12. Ray Smith

    Ray Smith Summit Camper

    Looked at the Paramo stuff and would love to try it.

    However with Christmas coming up my lovely wife would have no hesitation in cutting my knackers off when she looked at
    bank account afterwards.:inpain:

    Just bought a new pair of Scarpa R-Evo Pro GTX boots this morning. So may need to go into hiding.
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  13. Cass

    Cass Trail Blazer

    I've been using paramo gear in winter for the last couple of years. Its been great in all conditions except heavy persistent rain and wind, however i read somewhere that someone soaked it in nikwax for 24 hours before doing the TGO challenge, with great results so i have recently copied this strategy but have not had a chance to try it yet
  14. Ray Smith

    Ray Smith Summit Camper

    When I was at the Keela shop the guy was discussing how to reproof the jacket. He did mentioned about only proofing the outside.

    He mentioned that a lot of people were using the washing machine all in one type proofing that basically waterproofs everything.

    Hence if you have the lining of the jacket waterproofed such as inside the Keela then sweat cant get through the vapour barrier and away from your skin as such. This stops the whole way the jacket is meant to work from functioning correctly.

    Not sure if this would have any effect on a Paramo jackets performance.

    On a side note he showed me some university testing done in a big freezer room comparing the Keela setup to 3-Layer goretex and results for the keela were very impressive. Basically showing that
    breathable materials such as goretex eventually stop breathing after a few hours of extreme rain and sweat builds up significantly. Note too up to scratch on such testing material tech but did make sense.:o o:

    Proof will be in the pudding though.:sneaky: Hopefully up the Cairngorms tomorrow for a nice Sunday walk.
  15. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Ray.
    Keele used hydrophilic coated fabricswith a drop liner. Which all need spray proofing from outside.

    Paramo only works properly if the liner is waterproofed as well.

    Re the lab results. thats when very wet. , but if worn in dry or dryish weather, which a lot of folk seem to do with their waterproof jackets. gtx will have greaterbreathability than hydrophilic coating.
  16. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    I've not tried 24 hours but have done a few hours (forgot about the items in the bucket :rolleyes:) and noticed no difference. I'll try it sometime but I'm doubtful it'll make much difference, all the wax comes out of suspension in minutes.

    One sure way to shorten the usable lifespan of Paramo is overtreatment by using too much TX or too frequently. Wax builds up in the cloth but the hydrophobic salts wash out. Eventually, the cloth becomes a 30min max showerproof affair and the entire item will need stripping of it's wax with biological detergent and starting from fresh.
  17. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I think you have just explained to me why the 2nd hand Paramo I have doen't seem to 'bead up' water. An overzealous previous owner. I'm never likely to be a big fan of Paramo :angelic:
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  18. EM - Ross

    EM - Ross Thru Hiker

    Paramo - I'd get it dry cleaned & start again. Don't waste time with using detergent. I have a annual subscription for a discount at our local drycleaner & I get 2 items done for free on my birthday. I'll be giving my main Paramo's trews & top a refresh.
  19. Munro277

    Munro277 Thru Hiker

    Hmm wonder if I've over done mine over the years ?..I've just thrown it in the bath for a soak in pure soap flakes.will they do the job ? Or what shud I nip out and buy to strip it back ?
  20. Munro277

    Munro277 Thru Hiker

    That was Robin ..he's on here ..blogpackinglight lad
  21. Cass

    Cass Trail Blazer

    Yep, that's the one. Sounded like it really helped.

    And thank you for the tip Robin
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2015
  22. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    When customers return gear to Paramo for a retreat, they wash the items in biological, rinse well, then wash in techwash and retreat. I've stripped old wax out with bio on quite a few items, it works well. Soap isn't good at disolving grease, wax and oils.

    When the kit comes out of the bio, you can feel the difference. The cloth looks drier and loses the slight sticky feel that the parafin wax leaves.
  23. EM - Ross

    EM - Ross Thru Hiker

    Paramo actually dry-clean & re-proof when stuffs sent back for repair as part of the service. That why I was amazed to be told by a member of staff in the keswick paramo shop that their stuff must never be dry cleaned.

  24. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I must dig out my not waterproof Velez troosers for the winter meet...

    Now - how to roll them up so that they stay rolled up slippy little devils that they are..?
  25. EM - Ross

    EM - Ross Thru Hiker

    @paul could do you a cuben bag for them to hang around your neck.
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