Discussion in 'Clothing & Footwear' started by CEves, Feb 4, 2017.
Are you bored?
Mardale smock an britches. Dont wear them as often as i should
woolpower underwear------bl==dy expensive
If you don't mind dark green, French army surplus "ullfrotte" garments (200 top and bottom underwear and 400 jackets) are a good source for 1/4 to 1/3 the price. There's plenty on eBay. What brand you get is a bit pot luck though so it's best to ask: anything post-2014 will be French brands such as Eminence or Damart (decent but not quite as well made) but before that you can have actual made-in-Sweden Woolpower.
They're rather cute, I'd like to dress up as a legionnaire. Are they itchy @Balagan?
Yes, a lot of sellers will try to boost sales by sticking a foreign legion tag on them.
I don't find them itchy at all. I'm not a great fan of pure merino wool (whether Icebreaker or Decathlon) but I find synthetic/merino blends very comfy.
Berghaus Ulvetanna hybrid 2.0 Down jacket and the down balaclava and down bottys from AliExpress
Berghause Pavitale 2.0 Fleece jacket is a good multi piece.
Interesting thread, I've just joined the forum and found this. So many replies to b threads posted early 2017 but I'll restrain myself from doing that.
I like the comments about new and old tech. When I was a student before I could get anything other than an ancient boil in the bag non- breathable waterproof and wool jumpers instead of fleeces I had possibly my best ever softshell. It was a natural wool jumper bought by my parents on a Greek island. It had a kind of Scandinavian design to the knit but it was a so very dense knit. It was too warm for anything but cold weather. It was actually windproof. It had the natural oils from the wool that never washed out at all. Very fine wool threads stuck out from the knit and in cold, wet weather it took water from the atmosphere. In snow blizzards I was kept dry and warm by it. Drizzle was not a problem only heavy rain.
You probably don't believe me when I describe that wool jumper. I've had so many items of modern technology and items given best in test by magazine gear testers but this preformed better in those winter conditions than anything I've owned. A match for buffalo I reckon as the only item close to it. Having said that I'm planning on getting a buffalo special 6 top soon.
Hands are very important to keep warm. Spend as much as you can and ensure you have an outer layer (plus spare) that's bigger than you need to go over your usual gloves Better having too warm hands than cold ones. You need then healthy and able to work. I've been kayaking in well below zero degrees conditions where my hands froze into claws. It was embarrassing getting the 60 year old wife of a kayaking friend help me out of my kayaking gear into warm, dry kit. I really could not use my hands until half an hour after putting warm clothes on my upper body.
Extremities super inferno mitts are my go to winter hand covering. I had £75 gloves on with liners one very cold winter (new years day). I set off with cold hands because I had to tie boot laces. They only got colder. So 10 minutes into the walk I remembered that the day before I'd bought those mitts. I took gloves off and put the £30 mitts on and 10.minutes later my hands were warm. They were that good.
Feet? Warm and dry is very important but so is grip. Slightly controversial viewpoint but I think the best winter walking footwear in non technical routes are non membrane fell shoes with a good pair of waterproof socks plus liners. Why? Well the rubber is often softer than full on winter boots and I suspect operate like winter tyres. Whatever the science behind the grip I walked a lot of winters in lakes in boots and fell shoes but I never slipped as much in the fell shoes as I did in boots.
One route off the side of Kentmere horseshoe going back to Troutbeck there is a long downhill track that gets a lot of traffic and becomes a slippy mess of compressed snow. One winter I did it on 4 season boots and slipped on and off all the way down it. I was back the week after with another group so I wore fell shoes. I did the whole track down in the same conditions without slipping once. I walked totally naturally because the grip was so good on compacted snow which we will all know is pretty darned slippy! I got to the bottom and had to wait at least 20 minutes for my mates wearing their winter boots and having to take care because of slipping.
BTW I got looks from crampon wearing retirees telling me off for not wearing heavy boots and crampons. It was deep powder snow that didn't need crampons anyway. They just ball up anyway. At least I was more comfortable, less tired and slipped less in my fell shoes than I would have been in my 4 season boots.
I really suffer from cold hands in the colder months and Ive tried lots of gloves over the years and the best combination i use are the cheap karrimor soft shell gloves (i take a couple of pairs) and german army gortex gloves.ive spent up to £60 on gloves and they didn't do the job, so I wont waste anymore money and just stick with what works for me what ever the temps and conditions. £7 + £16 respectively. I also always have an alpkit merinowool baselayer top on.
I wear hanwag leather boots with bridgedale socks in the winter. My feet are always warm.
I wear what suits the trip, weather, conditions and my unique physiology. I think anyone who's got their clothing system nailed will do the same.
It's often a long, iterative process to get there and you'll never completely stop making changes. I'm about to try buffalo shirts for the first time. A complete change? Well not that big a leap because I've long come to the opinion I prefer good softshells that allow you to go longer before you have to use a hard shell waterproof. Even to the point I've got soaked but still been comfortable.
Wet and warm is second only to dry and warm. Usually with sweat factored in you're somewhere in between.
I made some Paramo mitts, look forward to trying them out!
Crampons in powder snow?????? Did they actually tell you that? Thats awful advice.
I like the grip of fell runners better than any boots for walking in flatish snowed terrain but as soon as it gets proper steep and snow gets crunchy they become really unsafe compared to a nice mountaineering boot that can edge or use crampons.
Think I tried to join the Foreign legion back in 1995.
Went on a world tour, starting in Marseilles, spent nearly all of my money getting bladdered, when the realisation hit that I wasn't going to get much further than France the fort above Marseille was spied.
Getting to the door there was a note that said something like 'Closed for lunch' - can't remember now (long time ago) so back down into the town, caring not, a free agent with a world of choices, the biggest Berghaus rucksack ever, loaded with everything that my wanderlust needed.
Often wondered if the whole of the Foreign Legion was closed for Lunch, how well I would have been speaking French now and where the Legion dream would have taken me.
On the other hand it was probably a very lucky escape, went across to Playa Del Ingles and carried on partying till there was no money left and a camera needed to be sold for the airfare home.
Best two weeks ever, 3 days in the airport, no food, and lots of last minute, on standby let downs as people rushed to the gate with moments to go.
Oh the recklessness of youth ( 27 at the time)
That trip I'd just taken a direct and very steep route up a snow slope. Ice axe out but I mostly kicked steps into the snow to get up there. All in fell shoes. Montrail highlanders iirc. Other times I've done Lakeland hills up steep routes kicking steps into snow. Obviously never needing crampons. Good mountain days (even if height means they're only hills).
Winter trousers, specifically over-laying trousers (for women if poss) do these exist (apart from ski trousers)?
TAR Xtherm Max.
Why max? I think it is more stable than the mummy version without much weight penalty. (i have Xlite mummy)
Alpaca wool hat with ear flaps.
I am not really sure if it is a genuine alpaca wool since I bought it for 15 EURs from a vendor at a psytrance festival.
It sure is warm and does not smell after extensive use.
Aklima Woolnet underwear.
Highly breathable, dries fast, warm, does not smell. Pretty much perfect!
As in insulated ones for camp?
For wild camping or when its really cold and you stop for a bit. You get belay jackets so I wondered about insulated trousers to put on over leggings.
I was impressed with the Tectop down trousers for £22 on AliExpress. I only wore them lounging around in my tent though. Light, warm, comfy and cheap.
Agree, my tectop trousers were great too, luxury! And a serious bargain.
I would not want to be pulling on delicate down troos over stuff when stopped for a bit, unless the weather was perfect, which is unlikely in winter.
Buffalo Teclite - but I think you already have these in your sights.
Why are you stopping? There's your problem!
Perfect for a social meet where your mooching around camp, but as you say I'm sure a more durable but heavy synthetic pair would be better for actually walking in very cold conditions.
Probably not something I'd buy myself. I reckon longjohns, trousers and over trousers would see me down to as low as I'm likely to get.
If you have some fabric sitting around i'd recommend slapping together a rain kilt/skirt
Mine isn't insulated it's Cuben fibre it does stop the wind and is surprising how much warmer i am wearing it when stopped.
I think if you bought a cheap fleece blanket and made a skirt out of it it'd be easy to take on/off at stops, cheap so wouldn't be a disaster if your got it dirty or torn and would provide a surprising amount of warmth
Mountain Equipment Compressor pants
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