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[Alf Outdoors]

I recently found out that the seat fabric on the Chair Zero is made from Polyester, which as you know, is heavier than Nylon. The Chair Zero's fabric seat weighs 138.9g.
REI brought out an ultralight rival to the Chair Zero, called the REI Flexlite Air Chair, that uses a a much lighter ripstop Nylon seat fabric (62.37g lighter to be exact).
So the fabric seat on the Air Chair is therefore much lighter than the fabric seat on the Chair Zero, but, the REI's frame is a lot heavier, as it uses larger diameter tube, so it ends up being virtually the same weight as the Chair Zero, or if anything, a few grams lighter.
That made me wonder...What if the REI fabric seat could be fitted onto the Chair Zero frame?
That could save about 62g off the Chair Zeros weight, reducing it to 431.6g.
Then, of course, I wondered what would happen if someone made a DCF fabric seat for the Chair Zero?...That might save 80-100g off the Chair Zeros weight, possibly bringing it's weigh down to just under 400g.
I'm not sure if anyone has tried it yet but if some cottage company could start making DCF seat covers specifically for the Chair Zero, they will have a keen customer waiting here for one, money in hand.

 

[Balagan]

I recently found out that the seat fabric on the Chair Zero is made from Polyester, which as you know, is heavier than Nylon. The Chair Zero's fabric seat weighs 138.9g.
REI brought out an ultralight rival to the Chair Zero, called the REI Flexlite Air Chair, that uses a a much lighter ripstop Nylon seat fabric (62.37g lighter to be exact).
So the fabric seat on the Air Chair is therefore much lighter than the fabric seat on the Chair Zero, but, the REI's frame is a lot heavier, as it uses larger diameter tube, so it ends up being virtually the same weight as the Chair Zero, or if anything, a few grams lighter.
That made me wonder...What if the REI fabric seat could be fitted onto the Chair Zero frame?
That could save about 62g off the Chair Zeros weight, reducing it to 431.6g.
Then, of course, I wondered what would happen if someone made a DCF fabric seat for the Chair Zero?...That might save 80-100g off the Chair Zeros weight, possibly bringing it's weigh down to just under 400g.
I'm not sure if anyone has tried it yet but if some cottage company could start making DCF seat covers specifically for the Chair Zero, they will have a keen customer waiting here for one, money in hand.

Isn't this like putting a lighter handle on a sledgehammer to save some weight?

 

[Taz38]

I have several stools, I never take any of them

 

[problem_chimp]

There's the obvious limitation of needing trees but, seeing as 90% of my hiking is in forests, I'm considering a hammock chair.
Dutch can do one in Cloud 71 that comes in at 76g with continuous loops.
It's probably a pretty simple diy project too, basically a 5 foot netless hammock.
Has anybody had any experience with one?

 

[Alf Outdoors]

There's the obvious limitation of needing trees but, seeing as 90% of my hiking is in forests, I'm considering a hammock chair.
Dutch can do one in Cloud 71 that comes in at 76g with continuous loops.
It's probably a pretty simple diy project too, basically a 5 foot netless hammock.
Has anybody had any experience with one?

I have experience with Mil-Tec Mini net hammock, but even when modified to get rid of the heavy steel rings at either end, that weighs 251g, so 76g is very light.

 

[tom]

I already posted these last year in the MYOG threat but as this is the place for chairs
- a 73gr UL version of the Mountainsmith 'slingback chair' design. Comfy enough to fall asleep in ...

 

[Jmws]

There's the obvious limitation of needing trees but, seeing as 90% of my hiking is in forests, I'm considering a hammock chair.
Dutch can do one in Cloud 71 that comes in at 76g with continuous loops.
It's probably a pretty simple diy project too, basically a 5 foot netless hammock.
Has anybody had any experience with one?

There's the obvious limitation of needing trees but, seeing as 90% of my hiking is in forests, I'm considering a hammock chair.
Dutch can do one in Cloud 71 that comes in at 76g with continuous loops.
It's probably a pretty simple diy project too, basically a 5 foot netless hammock.
Has anybody had any experience with one?

Not used Dutch’s but have and still do occasionally use one from anther maker. Packs up small and very comfy when the weather is warm.

Old picture from 2013! Awaiting the arrival of a group of DofE students on their assessed exped.

 

[Alf Outdoors]

Got my new Wild Sky Gear 14" x 5" diameter DCF stuff bag, and I can confirm the Chair zero, with the Ground Sheet Zero rolled up inside it, fits perfectly in it...With room to spare in fact, as I can also get my WWAGO sit pad, and one of my Cascade Wild folding tables in there at the same time...Though I was worried the table might tear the DCF as it's very thin, so I took it out again.
The stuff bag only weighs 8g, so its 29g lighter than my home brew storage bag, which itself was about the same amount lighter than the supplied Helinox bag.

 

[Odd Man]

 

[Alf Outdoors]

I think they are a bit pointless really, considering the the ground sheet for the Chair Zero only weighs 10g more than a pack of 4 chair buddies, yet offers an exponentially larger surface area. They are expensive too...£22 a pack, not much cost saving over a Helinox ground sheet. If they could get their weight down to under 20g each, maybe, but right now, no thanks.

 

[Odd Man]

I think they are a bit pointless really, considering the the ground sheet for the Chair Zero only weighs 10g more than a pack of 4 chair buddies, yet offers an exponentially larger surface area. They are expensive too...£22 a pack, not much cost saving over a Helinox ground sheet. If they could get their weight down to under 20g each, maybe, but right now, no thanks.

Someone else might like them, hence posting the video.

 

[EM-Chiseller]

I think they are a bit pointless really, considering the the ground sheet for the Chair Zero only weighs 10g more than a pack of 4 chair buddies, yet offers an exponentially larger surface area. They are expensive too...£22 a pack, not much cost saving over a Helinox ground sheet. If they could get their weight down to under 20g each, maybe, but right now, no thanks.

What do you do with the groundsheet of there's a rock in the centre of where you'd like to place your chair... How much does the groundsheet weigh when it's covered in scat or wet?

Something to consider?

 

[Alf Outdoors]

What do you do with the groundsheet of there's a rock in the centre of where you'd like to place your chair... How much does the groundsheet weigh when it's covered in scat or wet?

Something to consider?

A small rock under the middle of the ground sheet will make no difference at all as the ground sheet is flexible so it can deform around the rock. The ground sheet is made of tough heavy duty Nylon mesh which doesn't absorb water, so it will weigh virtually exactly the same when wet as when it's dry. And I avoid camping where animals have left scat, so that is never an issue.

 

[EM-Chiseller]

Who said it was a small rock? ill wager it's nylon mesh and courdura? Sockets does absorb and hold water... ... and more than 10ml/ 10g when it does get wet...
But don't mind me
.. I'm just pulling your leg... Chair leg that is

 

[Alf Outdoors]

Saw a post on facebook where a guy had used some 20mm PVC conduit to make anti sink tubes for the legs of his Chair Zero to sit on, and as I had some 20mm conduit lying around I thought I would have a go.
He used 1.5mm wall conduit and I used 2mm wall, so his pair of tubes weighed 79g and mine weigh 96g...But I had to drill 34 8.7mm holes in each one to get them down to that weight!
So I am planning on replacing them with thinner wall tubing when I can get hold of some to save more weight.
The back tube is 348mm long and the front one is 360mm long. I removed the feet on the bottom of the legs, so the legs can slide into 13.5mm holes at either end of the tubes, and this saves another 30g. I didn't have a 13.5mm drill so I drilled them out to 12mm and opened them out with a hot 1/2" bolt.
The tubes roll up nicely with the chair, and take up slightly less room than with the groundsheet.


[url=https://flic.kr/p/2m63mWg] Chair Zero tube mod 3 by Alf Beharie, on Flickr

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[Odd Man]

Saw a post on facebook where a guy had used some 20mm PVC conduit to make anti sink tubes for the legs of his Chair Zero to sit on, and as I had some 20mm conduit lying around I thought I would have a go.
He used 1.5mm wall conduit and I used 2mm wall, so his pair of tubes weighed 79g and mine weigh 96g...But I had to drill 34 8.7mm holes in each one to get them down to that weight!
So I am planning on replacing them with thinner wall tubing when I can get hold of some to save more weight.
The back tube is 348mm long and the front one is 360mm long. I removed the feet on the bottom of the legs, so the legs can slide into 13.5mm holes at either end of the tubes, and this saves another 30g. I didn't have a 13.5mm drill so I drilled them out to 12mm and opened them out with a hot 1/2" bolt.
The tubes roll up nicely with the chair, and take up slightly less room than with the groundsheet.


Chair Zero tube mod 3 by Alf Beharie, on Flickr

Looks like if you put the pipes connecting back leg to front legs rather than front leg to front leg, the distance could be shorter hence less pipe hence less weight?

 

[Alf Outdoors]

Looks like if you put the pipes connecting back leg to front legs rather than front leg to front leg, the distance could be shorter hence less pipe hence less weight?

No, I have used front leg to front leg and back leg to back leg...The tubes would be shorter on the sides, but much harder to fit due to the greater angles of the legs on the sides.

 

[Odd Man]

No, I have used front leg to front leg and back leg to back leg...

Hence my comment.

The tubes would be shorter on the sides, but much harder to fit due to the greater angles of the legs on the sides.

But it would be much lighter!!!

 

[ADz]

This will be my next chair. Should have it in a few weeks from US.

Litsmith QwikBack 75g
https://www.litesmith.com/qwikback-ul-chair/

 

[WilliamC]

Saw a post on facebook where a guy had used some 20mm PVC conduit to make anti sink tubes for the legs of his Chair Zero...

Wasn't that our own @Munro277, or am I misremembering?

 

[Munro277]

Wasn't that our own @Munro277, or am I misremembering?

 

[Bmblbzzz]

Robens Geographic stool, 13 Ins high and 259g. Comes in handy when making a brew/cooking due to my dodgy knee, paid about £20View attachment 23621

Just £18.99: https://www.addnature.co.uk/robens-...7315a7e8aa658b15:G:s&campaign_detail=shopping
Tempted...
But I have a Coleman Exponent stool. It's no lightweight, 550g, though 61g of that is the bag - tough material. Got it for cycle-camping where the weight is less of a factor but have to confess I haven't really used it yet. But those trips involve lots of convivial sitting around cooking, chatting, with mugs of tea and cans of beer, and small children jumping on your lap, all of which makes something to sit on higher than ground level quite a good idea.

 

[Bmblbzzz]

I see several posts here saying the Helinox Chair Zero weighs about 490g. Elsewhere it's listed at 750g. ???

Ed: It's the Chair One that weighs 850g. Obviously One is bigger than Zero...

 

[flyfifer]

The recent post made me look back up the thread.

20mm PVC conduit to make anti sink tubes for the legs of his Chair Zero to sit on, and as I had some

Strikes me that rigid cross bars are going to be a real pain on a lumpy surface ; ok they would work on a soft surface but are not very versatile.

 

[Balagan]

The recent post made me look back up the thread.

Strikes me that rigid cross bars are going to be a real pain on a lumpy surface ; ok they would work on a soft surface but are not very versatile.

More versatile fitted this way: